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#256802 01/31/13 12:36 PM 01/31/13 12:36 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Mike, I just find it very hard to credit a N17 making the particularly long trek back to the catamaran boat park would be dumb enough to interfere with another fleet's race. Both protests were filed by the RC - I'm sure you learned, as I did, that the RC's job is to provide a level playing field and ONLY file against a competitor in the event no OTHER competitor was in a position to see a rule infraction. Granted, I don't know all the facts found, but certainly the first penalty seems (from witness accounts) to have been uncalled for. There seems a potential of a PRO on another course with an over-inflated sense of importance. It would take a serious infraction that affected sailors on my course for me to reach into another fleet's standings.
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After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#256803 01/31/13 12:53 PM 01/31/13 12:53 PM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | I'm thinking water baloons...
Launched by the 'offenders' at the RC with the stick up his butt.
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#256805 01/31/13 01:41 PM 01/31/13 01:41 PM |
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Nacra 17 Race 7 Preliminary Top 3: 1.Ramsay/Girke (CAN) 2.Figueroa/Malatrasi (PUR) 3.Newberry/Casey (USA)
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- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#256806 01/31/13 01:53 PM 01/31/13 01:53 PM |
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#256812 01/31/13 02:56 PM 01/31/13 02:56 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Results through Race 8 are up... Streater/Whitehead put up two DFLs today... still in 2nd by 4, but Reiss/Lihan can now see Silver...
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#256825 01/31/13 04:32 PM 01/31/13 04:32 PM |
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Posts: 1,246 Orlando, FL | What's really important here is that the top three positions are held by Sarah.
Kristin's already agreed that when she changes her name (as part of her divorce agreement) to her family name, she'll also change her first name .... to ...
Sarah
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#256844 02/01/13 08:21 AM 02/01/13 08:21 AM |
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#256845 02/01/13 09:25 AM 02/01/13 09:25 AM |
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Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD | Appears that the capsize shown early wasn't intentional...not sure if they were turning down at the time, it almost looks like they flipped going upwind??
Nice job Newberry/Casey!
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#256846 02/01/13 09:56 AM 02/01/13 09:56 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Easy to capsize upwind, when it pulls a wheelie coming up off a wave, and then nose dives on the landing.
That was the issue we were talking about when the Nacra 20 came out, remember? It seemed it would be a whole lot more difficult to find the right balance point going upwind and down, with the middle of the boat trying to lift up.
You are now riding a teeter-totter.
JC's Sarah mentioned it in one of the early interviews.
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#256847 02/01/13 10:08 AM 02/01/13 10:08 AM |
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | It was Matt and one of the Sarahs that flipped - photo boat was trolling them and they said they stuck it in coming off the wake and turning down to get out of the prop wash. They were on the way to the course for the first race and were really worried they'd break something - can you imagine the potential heartbreak?
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- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD | Sometimes you worry too much about breakages, other times not enough. They are lucky they didn't damage the spin pole!
What is the next step after this event? More U.S based Nacra 17 events or do the top 2,3? teams qualify for a foreign event? How many 17's are in North America?
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Posts: 120 | Sometimes you worry too much about breakages, other times not enough. They are lucky they didn't damage the spin pole!
What is the next step after this event? More U.S based Nacra 17 events or do the top 2,3? teams qualify for a foreign event? How many 17's are in North America? I think we are looking at the only N17s in NA, would love to be proven otherwise. What we'll see, these teams, hopefully most will keep training N17s, maybe racing F18s and F16s when they can (bigger events, hopefulyy the NAs at least) while they start looking for bigger events in Europe / elsewhere... Wait... maybe I'm just repeating what I remember from the last T cycles.... also, Whitehead is on the us ac45 team.. so I'm sure he'll be doing that alot, taylor, jc and sandra are all very very active f16 and f18 racers... not sure about the others. The cannucks come from 470 / boards, not sure what they plan on doing (maybe team up with a US team for training)... would be nice to see them join a couple F18 races for practice (we'll find you a boat...). just my random thoughts / guesses | | | Re: Nacra 17s at Miami OCR
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#256850 02/01/13 10:54 AM 02/01/13 10:54 AM |
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Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn | I'm told it has very flat bottoms from the bow back, and it's really hard to keep the nose in to keep it from hobby horsing in waves. Just one more thing the sailors will have to learn how to use is all, and true of any boat.
I'm boatless.
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#256852 02/01/13 11:07 AM 02/01/13 11:07 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD Mark Schneider
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | What is the next step after this event? More U.S based Nacra 17 events or do the top 2,3? teams qualify for a foreign event? How many 17's are in North America? I think Mark Mandelbrots boat is the only one not at the OCR. Oakcliff is supposed to get their boats by May. I suspect these privately owned US boats will now be shipped to the EU for the ISAF circuit there and the N17 worlds in Holland. The Tornado Fleet would occasionally pit stop in the Gran Canarias between now and the EU circuit for training camps. Since there is no development cycle with these boats... I would imagine there are lots of two boat training camps planned with your coach of choice. I think these sailors will not be showing up at regional events on other boats.... It's pricey to keep a stable of boats in different classes in race ready shape.... They can't afford to show up a regional event and half butt their performance either. Money is also limited.... So.... I think they would love to collect some contributions in the form of paid clinics, talks etc... Otherwise, their time is best spent in training camps. The next opportunity for NA regatta events is probably November. (Texas to Florida on the Gulf coast)and that would depend on the selection process and marketing campaign set out by the US Olympic. I am looking forward to hearing Leandro Spina's take on how he will run the Oaklcliff program! That would be an interesting interview!
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#256856 02/01/13 12:04 PM 02/01/13 12:04 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | I hear from a little bird that light air isn't Sarah's favorite condition - add to that a new platform, and it is understandable they might struggle. How long does it take to learn to keep flow attached on such a high-aspect rig in 4 knots of breeze? More than a couple days in mid-teens, I suspect...
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- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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