| Re: Is the F18 Development Class or not?
[Re: orphan]
#257368 02/12/13 01:50 PM 02/12/13 01:50 PM |
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,152 tampa, fl ksurfer2
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Posts: 1,152 tampa, fl | I tried to stay out of this, I really did, but now I just can't help myself. F-18 is a box rule or formula class. Manufacturers big, or small, or home builders are free to build a boat that they feel best optimizes their products perfromance within the limits of the rule. Over time, these manufactures will make tweaks to their designs (within the rule) that they feel will further optimize performance. It is up to the consumer to decide what product they feel best meets their needs or has best optimized performance.
I can hold my own in my local fleet, I win some, I lose some. I was lucky enough to make it to worlds in LA last year and sailed well enough to make it to gold fleet. In any given race, there were boats of all makes, models, vintages both in front of me and behind me. I had moments of glory in the front of the fleet and periods of dispair at the back. This was allways based on my performance, not that of my boat.
Further, a year ago, I sold my 08 Infusion and picked up a shiny new C2. At a regatta a month ago, I was soundly trounced by my old boat. Nothing to do with either boat, I was out sailed by the crew on my old boat.
The F18 formula works! painted boats, gel coat boats, 1.5 mil sails, 3.0 mil sails.....the performace gains are negligible, it will still be up to the sailor on the boat to win the race. Need proof.....I'm your proof!
If your havin girl problems i feel bad for you son I got 99 problems but my beautiful wife ain't one | | | Re: Is the F18 Development Class or not?
[Re: ksurfer2]
#257508 02/14/13 11:22 AM 02/14/13 11:22 AM |
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL waterbug_wpb
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | I was soundly trounced by my old boat. ouch... that had to hurt almost as bad as a boot in danutz
Jay
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[Re: Just Sail]
#257516 02/14/13 01:30 PM 02/14/13 01:30 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Jay, the guy trims a pink kite. You think he's afraid of a boot in the nuts? Jesus - pity the boot. Karl clangs when he walks.
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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[Re: Just Sail]
#257518 02/14/13 03:26 PM 02/14/13 03:26 PM |
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn Karl_Brogger
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Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn | When he sails too, its unnerving to listen to for 50 miles straight. You'd think a harness and rushing/firehose pounding water would dull that sound, but nope.
I'm boatless.
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[Re: ksurfer2]
#257648 02/20/13 01:50 PM 02/20/13 01:50 PM |
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 297 rexdenton
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Posts: 297 | The F18 formula works! painted boats, gel coat boats, 1.5 mil sails, 3.0 mil sails.....the performace gains are negligible, it will still be up to the sailor on the boat to win the race. Need proof.....I'm your proof! Second that. I've seen an older boat I thought was stupid slow go from the back of the fleet to mid fleet, with a change of owner, and a fast boat go from the front to the mid just as fast. Further, I sail with my son. We kinda suck, and are always mid fleet, (or worse) against some of the finest sailors in the world, who inhabit our fleet. I always thought our poor performance was somehow realted to the boat. Then, I had a champ come aboard, trimming sails and calling tactics. During that race, I lead in three races, not just one upwind leg, but for several legs. I crashed twice while leading (got a bit greedy once, miscommunicated on the other), and had one third place. That was enough proof for me to realize... ...It ain't my friggin boat...
Nacra F18 #856
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[Re: rexdenton]
#257681 02/21/13 09:10 AM 02/21/13 09:10 AM |
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL waterbug_wpb
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | ...It ain't my friggin boat...
+1
Jay
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[Re: macca]
#260691 06/26/13 10:05 AM 06/26/13 10:05 AM |
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Posts: 108 | Aside from the fact that One Design goes directly against the F18 guiding principals: "The box measurement rule allows manufacturers to develop catamarans that are competitively priced yet allowing freedom to builders to develop higher levels of performance" There is the insanely funny part that the Tornado class One Design sail spec as per Ullman sails website shows that they chose 1.5mil laminate to ensure long lasting sails!!! Tornado One Design Sails http://www.ullmangz.it/products/multihull/tornado-od/Just check again Andrew Tornado OD sails are using as Material: Apen 6 3.0 mil white from Contender. | | |
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