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South Carolina | Well, there is this: http://www.americascup.com/en/news/...that-this-summers-events-remain-on-trackThey provide links to the bios of the review committee members, as well as the terms of reference that the committee will work under. What I can't find (and find rather disturbing, bordering on disgusting) is any sort of reaction from Uncle Larry. The naysayers are having a field day. We need leadership at a time like this, and the only voice I want to hear right now is Larry Ellison. I do appreciate that the teams are either staying quiet, or posting condolences out of respect for Bart, his family, friends and team. God bless them all during this horrific time. Mike Mike, I don't feel the same way - what would you have him say? The naysayers are only going to jump on any tiny slice of something that can be misinterpreted and blast him for it....or blast him for using it as an "opportunity" in some way if he does come out in a public fashion. I think a somewhat silent reflection is OK.
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Greenville SC | Well, there is this: http://www.americascup.com/en/news/...that-this-summers-events-remain-on-trackThey provide links to the bios of the review committee members, as well as the terms of reference that the committee will work under. What I can't find (and find rather disturbing, bordering on disgusting) is any sort of reaction from Uncle Larry. The naysayers are having a field day. We need leadership at a time like this, and the only voice I want to hear right now is Larry Ellison. I do appreciate that the teams are either staying quiet, or posting condolences out of respect for Bart, his family, friends and team. God bless them all during this horrific time. Mike Mike, I don't feel the same way - what would you have him say? The naysayers are only going to jump on any tiny slice of something that can be misinterpreted and blast him for it....or blast him for using it as an "opportunity" in some way if he does come out in a public fashion. I think a somewhat silent reflection is OK. Agreed, With half of the crowd convinced that this is all his fault, I don't think there was anything he could have said. | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Sebring, Florida. | Are you kidding me? A high-profile sailor, beloved by anyone who met him, died. I don't blame Larry for the tragedy, but he is the leader. How can there not be at least a statement of condolences? From him, not just all of the people working for him.
I hope it's out there, but I haven't seen it yet.
Mike Larry Ellison is NOT the Leader of Team Artimis. It was their boat, their failure, where is their team leader to make a statement?? None of the other AC72 boats have "Failed" like this, and they have all been out sailing in more wind, many times. This was not a Pitchpole, this was a build/design failure. Where is the design/build team's statement? They are pretty quiet, and hiding from the Lawyers no doubt.
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South Carolina | Are you kidding me? A high-profile sailor, beloved by anyone who met him, died. I don't blame Larry for the tragedy, but he is the leader. How can there not be at least a statement of condolences? From him, not just all of the people working for him.
I hope it's out there, but I haven't seen it yet.
Mike Larry Ellison is NOT the Leader of Team Artimis. It was their boat, their failure, where is their team leader to make a statement?? None of the other AC72 boats have "Failed" like this, and they have all been out sailing in more wind, many times. This was not a Pitchpole, this was a build/design failure. Where is the design/build team's statement? They are pretty quiet, and hiding from the Lawyers no doubt. Actually, their team did have a somber statement on their website almost immediately. Their owner has never really been in the forefront of the public image of the team.
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Florida Suncoast, Dunedin Caus... | The pioneers always take the arrows.
The only thing LE and RC are guilty of is trying to take sailing to the next level. I thank them.
Some are clamoring for all the evidence to be released. Keep in mind there's a active police investigation ongoing.
I doubt very much you'll see or hear anything until that's complete.
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South Carolina | The pioneers always take the arrows.
The only thing LE and RC are guilty of is trying to take sailing to the next level. I thank them.
Some are clamoring for all the evidence to be released. Keep in mind there's a active police investigation ongoing.
I doubt very much you'll see or hear anything until that's complete. I suspect that, although it appears unrelated at this point, we may see a recommendation lowering of the maximum wind range come out of the committee's findings. Just a gut feel.
Jake Kohl
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Florida Suncoast, Dunedin Caus... | Perhaps they will.
However boats can always fail in one way or another causing death regardless of wind speed. Imagine one boat foiling t-boning a boat not foil borne.
Having a guy trapped underwater alive and not having the ability to find and free him in a time frame to prevent drowning or further peril is something they have to address.
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Naples, FL | didn't someone post a vid of 17 going downwind in 28 knots TWS? Granted, they weren't running a w/l course, but the boat didn't get destroyed...
And I do agree that if LE isn't in charge of the whole AC deal, he probably isn't required to make any public comment on it.
Jay
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Roanoke Island ,N.C. | Technically Larry is no party to this anyway, its the GGYC that is host to the other syndicates and not Oracle Racing.
It might actually be inappropriate if he did.
Public condolences where sent by Oracle but who knows what happens privately. +1 He's the defender.
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Sebring, Florida. | So...are you blaming Larry Ellison for the failure of the Artimis boat?
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On the Water | Fun facts about the 72's. Anybody's guess what blackberries was before translated to English . . . Grinding Stations
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| So...are you blaming Larry Ellison for the failure of the Artimis boat? "I'll take Reading and Comprehension for $1000, Alex." I wouldn't double down if I were you, I've already addressed that in a prior post. Hint: NO Mike | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Naples, FL | Fun facts about the 72's. Anybody's guess what blackberries was before translated to English . . . Grinding Stations with that new grinder layout (and a single person per station), you'd wonder if they'd get more horsepower and aerodynamics if they were foot-driven (like a recumbent bike)?
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On the Water | Fun facts about the 72's. Anybody's guess what blackberries was before translated to English . . . Grinding Stations with that new grinder layout (and a single person per station), you'd wonder if they'd get more horsepower and aerodynamics if they were foot-driven (like a recumbent bike)? Did you see the foot buttons for switching gears on the NZ and LR boats. Cool. My understanding is the grinding stations do nothing more than pump up/maintain the hydraulic reserve.
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