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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Well, now that's starting to smell fishy.
Jake Kohl | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | Great pictures of two boat training. Can't wait to see the videos. Two Boat Training
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | The only way I can tell boat 1 from boat 2 is on boat 1, the center "pod" (underneath the net) is longer. Boat 2 has a more raked pod trailing edge. Two spars on the spin pole vs. one spar on the other.
Philip USA #1006 | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 1,884 Detroit, MI | Well, at least they'll have closure... and going to court is not an option (until you lose, I guess).
Simple answer (not likely to happen): If this is all about safety, have Oracle share all of their design and testing data related to the rudders with all of the teams.
Mike It's not that simple - the Oracle boats have lower aerodynamic profiles than ETNZ, which has more volume up front to counteract pitching. Allowing rudder elevators would give a significant advantage to Oracle. | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | He said the yacht “pitch-poled” . . . . Peyron said that, contrary to some reports, the boat did not break before it capsized. NY Times Article good to know - thanks for posting that.
Jake Kohl | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 2,584 +31NL | The only way I can tell boat 1 from boat 2 is on boat 1, the center "pod" (underneath the net) is longer. Boat 2 has a more raked pod trailing edge. Boat 1 has two pelican strikers and its boards are further forward. | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 807 Hillsborough, NC USA | Simple answer (not likely to happen): If this is all about safety, have Oracle share all of their design and testing data related to the rudders with all of the teams. Simpler answer: Add an electronic interlock to the rudder elevator control. The interlock would indicate its status to the boat's communication pod at all times. Oracle would engage the interlock before racing, thereby satisfying the class rule that the elevator cannot be adjusted. If the indicator ever showed that the interlock had been disengaged during a race, Oracle would forfeit. I think there's merit to ETNZ and Luna Rosa's argument. Changing the class rule to allow elevator adjustment while racing would be a "back to the drawing board" proposition. The challengers have no time left to design, build, and test such modifications. | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Simple answer (not likely to happen): If this is all about safety, have Oracle share all of their design and testing data related to the rudders with all of the teams. Simpler answer: Add an electronic interlock to the rudder elevator control. The interlock would indicate its status to the boat's communication pod at all times. Oracle would engage the interlock before racing, thereby satisfying the class rule that the elevator cannot be adjusted. If the indicator ever showed that the interlock had been disengaged during a race, Oracle would forfeit. I think there's merit to ETNZ and Luna Rosa's argument. Changing the class rule to allow elevator adjustment while racing would be a "back to the drawing board" proposition. The challengers have no time left to design, build, and test such modifications. I agree with that. Added to the situation is that Oracle has been using them for several months as training wheels so they have additional time learning to use them and possibly refining them.
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