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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | huh. So it seems that the reasoning behind the "symmetrical rudder is safer" is to avoid failures of the 90 degree rudder to foil joint. I can see how this would cause a major problem if this broken during a big bear away (who knows, it may have let go during Oracle's big capsize or Alingi's) and I think it adds a little merit to the point for using them.
However, I feel like I should point out that all of them are using asymmetrical dagger boards that should be seeing considerably more loading than the rudders...soo....uhhhh.errrr
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Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD | What's this all-black sailing team they are speaking of? Do they have a boat? Or did some Durham-based African Americans who haven't set foot on a boat decide they needed a piece of the $100 million??? That video from Oracle certainly clears a few things up for me and makes it a little less like cheating. I had assumed the elevator attached to the rudder was movable ala Moth. Adjusting the entire rudder rake+elevator still sounds fairly illegal but their setup really seems optimized for quick testing and not necessarily speed gains while racing. I really hope whoever wins sees the light and brings foiling AC45's to the action.
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | Dont think a helmet (or anything!) will protect you from hitting that at 40kts.
I agree, and from what little experience I have hitting things with my face (thanks Karl), getting sliced up by a winglet at 40 knots does not sound pleasant in the least bit.
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The other part thats causing a stir is LR and NZ have asymmetrical rudder foils. The leg of the T is longer on the inside than the outside. OR has symmetrical foils, both legs of the T are the same. So, could OR just move their rudder posts (i.e, the entire rudder) a little bit inboard to allow for more symmetrical winglets and not exceed max beam? Or would that screw up the steering so bad it's not worth it?
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | What's this all-black sailing team they are speaking of? I posted on it awhile back. The NC syndicate applied for the AC as a challenger, and was denied for questionable reasons. So the denied challenger has sued in the NY courts.
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | What's this all-black sailing team they are speaking of? I posted on it awhile back. The NC syndicate applied for the AC as a challenger, and was denied for questionable reasons. So the denied challenger has sued in the NY courts. Google: African Diaspora Maritime
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The other part thats causing a stir is LR and NZ have asymmetrical rudder foils. The leg of the T is longer on the inside than the outside. OR has symmetrical foils, both legs of the T are the same. So, could OR just move their rudder posts (i.e, the entire rudder) a little bit inboard to allow for more symmetrical winglets and not exceed max beam? Or would that screw up the steering so bad it's not worth it? I wonder if there is a rudder/hull centerline rule...otherwise, that sure is a thought.
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The other part thats causing a stir is LR and NZ have asymmetrical rudder foils. The leg of the T is longer on the inside than the outside. OR has symmetrical foils, both legs of the T are the same. So, could OR just move their rudder posts (i.e, the entire rudder) a little bit inboard to allow for more symmetrical winglets and not exceed max beam? Or would that screw up the steering so bad it's not worth it? I wonder if there is a rudder/hull centerline rule...otherwise, that sure is a thought. Why bother? He said their most recent symmetrical rudder wing is compliant.
Philip USA #1006 | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 807 Hillsborough, NC USA | Now this just impresses the hell out of me. That's some serious laminate engineering. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that testing the load in the wrong direction? | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Now this just impresses the hell out of me. That's some serious laminate engineering. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that testing the load in the wrong direction? No. The rudders pull the stern down to give the daggerboards an increased angle of attack so the boards will generate more lift. They also pull down in the most extreme case when the bows start getting pushed down.
Jake Kohl | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Well, now I don't know who to believe. However, one would think that if they had unanimous consent, given all of the America's cup history, someone would have thought to have the teams sign something.
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