I haven't seen any direct evidence of a premeditated conspiracy. Murray has, however, unilaterally mandated a rule change that favors Oracle. It was done in the name of "safety", but is really a performance tweak. People suspect collusion because Oracle publicly sides 100% with Murray against the other teams. At the very least, Oracle has condoned a subversion of the rules simply because the change benefits them
You're forgetting Artemis here. They're in favor of the new rules as well. That seems to imply that the Challenger of Record and the defender agree on the rules changes, and the other "and also" teams seem to have big problems with it for whatever reason.
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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: P.M.]
#260987 07/07/1309:10 AM07/07/1309:10 AM
"The first person to commend the Safety Recommendations was Grant Dalton, CEO of ETNZ. He publicly congratulated Murray for his work and said “you won’t get any push back from ETNZ on this.
Now, five weeks later, Emirates Team New Zealand and Luna Rossa (LR) have lodged protests...
The inclusion of these rules excludes no one. Yet, excluding these rules, and keeping the other 35, will exclude Artemis Racing.
So I ask, who is trying to force whom out of the 34th America’s Cup?
The fact is that if ETNZ and LR get what they want, Artemis Racing will be excluded from competition."
Philip USA #1006
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: P.M.]
#260988 07/07/1310:57 AM07/07/1310:57 AM
Everybody should find an hour of their time and listen to this entire media conference on July 3rd with Iain Murray. No questions were off limits, the questions were direct and tough, and he didn't avoid anything. It's pretty darn transparent and the listener can draw his/her own conclusion . . . Media Conference with Iain Murray
You should really listen to the whole thing to do it justice, but if you want a snippet, try 35:40 to 46:00.
Philip USA #1006
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: Team_Cat_Fever]
#260989 07/07/1311:31 AM07/07/1311:31 AM
At the very least, Oracle has condoned a subversion of the rules simply because the change benefits them.
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Murray is saying "we need to change the class rule to get clearance from the coast guard." Great. If that doesn't happen, then the event doesn't happen because the CG won't sign off of the event.
Murray has said if the Jury does not accept every single one of his rule changes, then instead of filing an amended permit request with the differences, he will go back to the Coast Guard and ask them to revoke the permit. He's not just saying he'll take his bat and ball and go home - Murray is threating to close the ballpark.
So, Luna Rossa says they want to race but need to know the rules before they begin. Murray says if he doesn't get his way, he'll shut down the America's Cup Regatta entirely. Which one is acting childishly?
If the RC/ Race director decides to change something that benefits you, why would you argue. Anyone would support it, or at the least, not comment.
You have twisted what Murray stated as to what would happen if the rules weren't agreed to in the end( which they originally had been). He said he would inform the Coast Guard that the "safety rules" that had originally been agreed to now are being argued, which would negate the permit as it had been issued.Result being the CG would rescind the permit, that's just obeying the law. A considerable difference to asking them to revoke it. If the terms don't meet the permit a new one would have to be issued (or not) under the new terms.
Like Todd pointed out, Murray never states that he will ask to revoke the permit, only that the permit was not agreed upon, in which he is required to notify the CG immediately.
There is a local consensus in SF that the CG would likely be able to live with a 35 rule permit.
Philip USA #1006
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: Dlennard]
#260990 07/07/1311:55 AM07/07/1311:55 AM
If they are going to race how do you watch it? Can't find anything on the TV schedule.
Maybe nothing to broadcast, might want to check into the YouTube channel at 12 noon SF local time (PST). The schedule here reports live race commentary from 12:00 to 1:15
For everyone else, the broadcast schedule is here. Choose your country.
Philip USA #1006
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: P.M.]
#260991 07/07/1311:56 AM07/07/1311:56 AM
Those ding dongs won't allow me to sling the broadcast to my TV with the YouTube app. I guess I need to get a computer hooked up to my big screen next time.
Jake Kohl
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: Jake]
#260993 07/07/1301:17 PM07/07/1301:17 PM
Pretty riveting stuff, one boat on the course and all.
Interesting at 12:30 how much they changed the angle on the dagger before dropping it for a tack. Pretty major adjustment compared to what I have seen on some beach cats
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: bacho]
#260996 07/07/1301:39 PM07/07/1301:39 PM
Top speed today: 42.8 knots. Full replay below. Barker has to jibe early to avoid a ferry (53:19)? Really? Yes he was close to the boundary but still . . .
