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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Looks like the LV Finals will be broadcast on Aug. 17, 18. Here's the NBC Sports Sched for their race coverage (sorry for their formatting):
Date
Event August 17 Louis Vuitton Cup Finals
NBCSN 6-8 p.m. August 18 Louis Vuitton Cup Finals NBCSN 6-8 p.m.
August 24
Louis Vuitton Cup Finals
NBCSN
7-9 p.m.
August 25*
Louis Vuitton Cup Finals
NBCSN
7-9 p.m.
August 28*
Louis Vuitton Cup Finals
NBCSN
5-7 p.m.
August 30*
Louis Vuitton Cup Finals
NBCSN
5-7 p.m.
September 7
America’s Cup Finals
NBC
4-6 p.m.
September 8
America’s Cup Finals
NBC
4-6 p.m.
September 10
America’s Cup Finals
NBCSN
3:30-6 p.m.
September 12
America’s Cup Finals
NBCSN
3:30-6 p.m.
September 14
America’s Cup Finals
NBCSN
3:30-6 p.m.
September 15*
America’s Cup Finals
NBCSN
3:30-6 p.m.
September 17*
America’s Cup Finals
NBCSN
3:30-6 p.m.
September 19*
America’s Cup Finals
NBCSN
3:30-6 p.m.
September 21*
America’s Cup Finals
NBCSN
3:30-6 p.m.
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | Richard Gladwell's take on Oracle cheating here.
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | No doubt that Artemis has successfully climbed a mountain and has succeeded at every level. They plan on coming back to compete at the next cup. Luna Rossa, on the other hand, is not the same team that was DSQ against NZ for finishing >5 minutes behind them in the round robins. They have improved dramatically, both in boat speed and handling. Both LR and NZ expect to bring updated platforms the next time they meet. Then there is talk that both NZ and Oracle might bring upwind foiling to the game, if it proves they can get better VMG with it. We'll see.
Philip USA #1006 | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | That penalty on Artemis was crap. From the moment they lost right of way, they could have done nothing different. Outterage has the wheel hard to port for an eternity before they touched. If you go look at the video replay of the race at 35:46 you can clearly see outterage turn the wheel hard to port before LR crosses head to wind. He is not required to anticipate that LR will go completely to starboard. He is required to start to avoid when LR obtains right of way and he did that before that even happened. LR has to give them time and opportunity. I feel like Artemis clearly met their obligation.
The insult is that it really looked like Artemis had a shot at winning that one. They looked much better.
I hope they have an opportunity for redress...but I'm not sure how that works in this series.
Jake Kohl | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | Outterage even says so at 35:55. You can clearly hear him in the audio. Guess the umps didn't see it. They were probably too busy watching the jibs to determine S/P and missed it. They don't have the luxury to analyze video/audio and render a decision in a matter of seconds. I felt like Outterage nailed it, a successful luff, and likewise Draper pulled off an interesting reaction.
Philip USA #1006 | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | They don't have the luxury to analyze video/audio and render a decision in a matter of seconds. Obviously...but the judges should have a good understanding of the maneuverability of these boats and should have been able to recognize that what Artemis would have had to have done to keep clear was impossible. It's their job to know enough to make the right call...and that one should have been an easier one if they knew what they should have known.
Jake Kohl | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Benefit of the doubt, innocent until proven guilty, etc. I agree Jake, it was a BS call, but with the umpires and 'on the water instant penalty' program they are using, I guess they can't wait until after the race, in the protest room, to figure it out.
I think we were all pulling for Artemis to win at least one, and it did look like they had a great start going.
Now, why did they go out of bounds later in the race?
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Benefit of the doubt, innocent until proven guilty, etc. I agree Jake, it was a BS call, but with the umpires and 'on the water instant penalty' program they are using, I guess they can't wait until after the race, in the protest room, to figure it out.
I think we were all pulling for Artemis to win at least one, and it did look like they had a great start going.
Now, why did they go out of bounds later in the race? Undoubtedly because they were behind and needed to push the limits to try and get an advantage. They just pushed it too far. The other frustration on their part is the length of time it took the umpires to issue the penalty...I'm sure they were trying to figure out what they had just been penalized for when it came up as they had just rounded the first mark. The competitor should have as much time to react as it took the judges to issue the penalty. ;-) It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall in that umpire discussion that ensued after the contact. You can bet that it was not a unanimous decision.
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