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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: brucat] #263301
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Originally Posted by brucat
You've just pointed out that there is a case for redress...

Paralympic Trials, Newport, winners sent to China. Redress hearings every night, all week, for an issue that occurred in Day 1. Each time the results were posted/updated, another filing was submitted.

Granted, that was the same Quad as Hall, so there have been lots of procedural changes since then, but there is still a window.

That's why US Sailing added the prescriptions to rules 60 and 63.2. If protest committee does their job right, there should only be one redress hearing.

Either way, though, a party to a hearing may not request for the decision of that hearing.

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The key is, they need to be a party. This creates a potential loophole which I'd say still exists.

And, the prescriptions only help if used (there are three ways out of that)...

Mike

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Originally Posted by brucat
The key is, they need to be a party. This creates a potential loophole which I'd say still exists.

And, the prescriptions only help if used (there are three ways out of that)...

If a boat requests to participate in a redress hearing under prescription 60, then I consider that boat to be a party.

The prescriptions can be deleted in sailing instructions, and many events do so (because protest committees think they are too much effort). I personally think they should be left in place - to avoid precisely the situation you described. And yes, I've seen it happen too.

Also, as a result of the Hall decision, in Olympic qualifying events any PC decision (even international juries) can be appealed.

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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Isotope235] #263307
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Anyone willing to do a prediction?
I think ETNZ will win by about 20 seconds.

Still 5 hours till the start but already 250 viewers:


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Based only on how ETNZ made everyone else look like amateurs to this point, I'll call for a sweep.

I'll happily be proven wrong later today.

Mike

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I wonder what the cost getting to this point is for both teams?


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Just announced! Today's races CANCELLED . . .









. . . so everyone can watch college football. wink


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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
I wonder what the cost getting to this point is for both teams?

Saw a tweet today that said ETNZ's budget was €70m.
One third public is funds, one third sponsors, and one third donations.
Fifty percent of the cost is personnel.

Would not be surprised if Oracle's is double.

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The Spooner Slide. Love it.


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #263315
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Both skippers like and have chosen the Port Entry. Sail Racing Magazine has prognosticated a win each by the Starboard Entry boats. Interesting.


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Quote
“You always go to a regatta and they say it’s never like this here, well that’s what it’s like today,” said Regatta Director Iain Murray at his morning briefing. “The good news is the westerly has started to prevail under the Golden Gate Bridge. It’s probably 6 knots now, and has pushed the northwest and easterly winds into the back country back. We’re hoping for around 12 knots at the start of the first race and we’re confident that when the flow gets going and established we might get 17 knots in the second race.

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Friggin Awesome


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #263321
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Who said you can't pass.


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #263322
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Originally Posted by P.M.
Who said you can't pass.

+1000000!

Awesome stuff!

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two lead changes in the first windward beat.


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #263324
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Oracle is slightly slower but has better VMG to even things out.

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Looks like the lighter wind is Oracle's friend and the breeze is NZ's friend.


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It looked to me like Jimmy was pinching, and Dean was footing. Their speeds were about 2kts apart, going up that beat but you saw Oracle pointing a little higher, going slower.

Of course, when you are out in front in a two boat race, you would want to foot down to cover your opponent, which is exactly what Barker was doing, and tacked right on top of them.

Still, it was great to see some very good, fast, close racing for the first 3 legs!


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