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Posts: 3,969 | Ben? What they need is a cat sailor. Wow...
Ben can't lose, really. If they lose the cup, they've been headed that way anyway, primarily due to perceived lack of upwind speed/maneuverability (insert your reason for that here). If they win he gets credit for the turnaround, and gets a blank check anywhere he goes for the rest of his life...
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Posts: 554 Boston, Ma | What does "a cat sailor" even mean? Ben is a 4 time Olympic Gold Medalist, match race world champion, and has been training non-stop as the skipper of the Oracle B boat for months. At the level these guys are sailing the transition to another type of boat isn't a huge problem- just look at Ben's performance in the ACWS.
Personally, I think crew work and losing DDR was the biggest setback to Oracle, and place much less blame on JK.
I really wish labels in sailing would just go away!
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | What does "a cat sailor" even mean? Ben is a 4 time Olympic Gold Medalist, match race world champion, and has been training non-stop as the skipper of the Oracle B boat for months. At the level these guys are sailing the transition to another type of boat isn't a huge problem- just look at Ben's performance in the ACWS.
Personally, I think crew work and losing DDR was the biggest setback to Oracle, and place much less blame on JK.
I really wish labels in sailing would just go away! FINALLY!!! +1
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#263680 09/12/13 12:42 PM 09/12/13 12:42 PM |
Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,658 Florida Suncoast, Dunedin Caus... catman
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Posts: 1,658 Florida Suncoast, Dunedin Caus... | Let's see, an expert at racing lasers and fins. Yup, he should know everything about multi-hull racing tactics. That'll fix it. I like the choice. He's been driving boat #1 all this time and he has a good feel for speeds, tacking angles/time, time on distance, the effect of the currents, etc. He and Jimmy might just gel better. Who knows if there was friction between JS and JK. Hard to tell, is that RC behind BA?
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | Let's see, an expert at racing lasers and fins. Yup, he should know everything about multi-hull racing tactics. That'll fix it. I like the choice. He's been driving boat #1 all this time and he has a good feel for speeds, tacking angles/time, time on distance, the effect of the currents, etc. He and Jimmy might just gel better. Who knows if there was friction between JS and JK. Hard to tell, is that RC behind BA? RC is not on the crew list for today.
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#263682 09/12/13 12:53 PM 09/12/13 12:53 PM |
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Posts: 3,969 | What does "a cat sailor" even mean? Ben is a 4 time Olympic Gold Medalist, match race world champion, and has been training non-stop as the skipper of the Oracle B boat for months. At the level these guys are sailing the transition to another type of boat isn't a huge problem- just look at Ben's performance in the ACWS.
Personally, I think crew work and losing DDR was the biggest setback to Oracle, and place much less blame on JK.
I really wish labels in sailing would just go away! That's just because you're not a cat sailor... The sentiment is strong here. Anyone who's spent enough time racing cats would know that the "foiling tack" they attempted, even if it had been properly executed, was a huge mistake. There have been other, less obvious examples of tactical blunders. I don't put it all on JK, and don't see Big Ben as the magic bullet. Mike | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 554 Boston, Ma | The foiling tack ended up as a big mistake... but who here, cat sailor or otherwise, has ever tried something like that while foiling at 45 knots? Maybe if they had more time to practice the maneuver and did it cleanly, rounding the mark at 20+ knots and heading to favorable current, we would be singing a very different tune! The performance of these boats is so far beyond the realm of what we all know that I am willing to believe that the playbook just may be more expansive than we are accustomed to.
The again, I think the move would have been to round, and tack when NZ did to cover... not exactly an exclusive catamaran tactic.
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | Ben? What they need is a cat sailor. Wow... I thought they were just going to use him for the boarding party. Give him a cutlass and let him at the kiwis
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | if the current is that bad, I wonder if the low/fast mode cutting through the current section to the other side and then going back to the high/slow mode would pay better than the short tacking?
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | Wind 250 at 9.1 kts, 10.2 kts peak. Will the breeze fill in?
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | would they be using a gennaker and sailing in displacement mode in windspeeds that low?
How do the boats compare in displacement mode?
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Philip USA #1006 | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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How do the boats compare in displacement mode? Oh my God. Ken Read hacked your password... Mike | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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