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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #263634
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Now that's funny.


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #263635
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Exactly--the guys with cat racing experience have the knowledge and ability to make instant adjustments and the results speak for themselves.

The mono sailors used to 10 + -knot hull speeds are trying to apply tactics to cats going 4 times the speed of monos they are accustom to.

helpfull hints to the O team most of us already know about racing cats--

1-cats can easily sail through the lee side of another cat that just tacked in front--there is no need to tack--the better option is usually to sail through the lee side then higher or using the boundry for the next tack. The speed difference is that great--the basics are a cat going 40 is 4 times faster than one coming off a tack at 10. They are sailing their length every what --few seconds ?

An extra tack equals multiple boat lengths of distance comparatively--that is --an extra tack costs distance--somecan can do the math --my estimate is 50 to 100 metersnor 2 to 4 boat lengths .

Jakes comments on mark roundings are spot on --

The helm has to be soft and smooth and in touch with minor wind variations --antisipating each---not jerky and searching --everything on a cat is magnified inc the drag induced by rudders and instability of air flow on the sail --smooth and steady--hit the sweet spot and best vmg --then stay in the zone steady and smooth with soft hands on the wheel and it will be faster.

At the start antisipate the speed and distance --hit the line at top speed --{we all know this--and yes easiler said than done}

Sorry for this post--It is just very frustrating watching this--seems the better boat is loosing the racing series.


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Risky regardless. Can't do what their doing now but changing to Ainslie as your tactision is a risk as well. Not sure he's even been on the water much since the regatta got under way...

Lets hope they found some speed out there today.

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Bingo! Didn't Gashby also teach the whole NZ team how to sail cats when he first joined?

Team Oracle tacks look more like mono hull tacks vs NZ. They slam the brakes on most tacks by turning so fast. Jibes looks good though.

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Originally Posted by P.M.


Here's someone trying way too hard to ride the coat tails of the event and be funny. I'll try to respond in the language I suspect they use daily:

Epic fail...

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Originally Posted by oxj


Bingo! Didn't Gashby also teach the whole NZ team how to sail cats when he first joined?

Team Oracle tacks look more like mono hull tacks vs NZ. They slam the brakes on most tacks by turning so fast. Jibes looks good though.


Perhaps loosing (Dirk DeRidder?) as their wing trimmer has hurt Oracle more than anyone is talking about?

Seems they are always 'slower' going upwind, and perhaps Ashby's trimming on ETNZ's wing is why they are always faster upwind?

Oh, and Ding, I just registered for Wildcat, but with that goofy registration site you've got, it took me 30 minutes to reset my password and fix my boat name!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR-EU_l_pKA

Nice, nice.


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Here is today's crew list.
Crew list


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Kostecki out - Ainslie in

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Originally Posted by P.M.
Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
I can stream it on my phone, but can't watch it on the computer plugged into my tv. F-ing lame

Use this add-on with Firefox.
http://www.stealthy.co/
Or . . .
Add this extension for Chrome.
Stealthy Chrome extension
If you are using Internet Explorer, go out to the shed and shoot yourself.


Today racing live on NBCSN with the broadcast beginning at 12:30 PT. On YouTube internationally; full replay after broadcast. The above hack will get you around the YouTube North America blackout. You've got enough time to add the extensions so no whining.


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #263668
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lmoa! Thanks Philip!

So does Ainslie help get things going today?

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Hi Mike-

We need someone to start building 20 ft versions of these amazing foiling cats !!Might try building one this winter.

Anyone know why there are not more top catamaran sailors like Ashbee onboard A C cats? --just common sense isn't it?

sheeesh !

quick racing story ---

Back in 1988 we raced in PROSAIL and the Ultimate Yacht Race professional racing series --2 different series in the US that year. We raced all over the US in great venues inc. Miami--Corpus Cristi TX--Mystic Conn--Great Lakes--Newport RI--San Fran.--etc.

The Ultimate Yacht Race in Mystic -New London Conn. was shown on NBC Sports --great fun. Our main competition in the Hobie 21 class w spin that week was Chris --who had just returned from the Olympics in Korea. Very excellent sailor but used to monos--not cats--MUCH LIKE MOST OF THE SAILORS on the AM CUP cats now.

We sailed in 3 days of prelim. races then finals on the weekend in every type of condition imaginable as the races were in Oct on the Sound. Roger and I eventually won the series that week mainly because we understood cat racing. Chris tried several times to tack directly in front, much like we have seen in the AM CUP racing currently,--each time we simply reached briefly through to leeward and clear air then sailed up higher and eventually in front . Rog and I rounded marks with speed better -tacked better--understanding cats we sailed strategically and for position. It is why we won the series that week .

I have to admit Chris was better with the chute than I was but the chute was brand new to me in 88 on cats --so --you can be slower but understanding high speed cats--better associated high speed strategy--better roundings -tacks and gybes--and catamaran tactics will win most every time.

As one other put it --the fat lady is about to sing ;]

have fun

Carl

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This might be the best YouTube for today.



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Here is the source for umpire replays, which updates after every race. This page will be effective throughout the remainder of the series.
Official Umpire Booth Replay Noticeboard


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