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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #263876
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"The new look America’s Cup was captured today in Race 10, where the lead changed hands four times in the 10-nautical mile race and the four mark roundings had deltas of 3 seconds, 11 seconds, 1 second and 11 seconds. The lead changed hands three times alone on the 3-nautical-mile windward leg."

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Ainslie "Jimmy, they have overlap"
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Well I was wrong about that 2 race penalty, it's looking like a much bigger deal now. I imagine that OR might have started a little more confident without it.

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WTF. Everyone was screaming about the foiling tack and poor tactics a few days ago, so much so Oracle changed up its aftergard. Whoever made the slowdown and duck call dowind in the last race pulled a monumental F up that made the errors of previous days look like nothing.
You are running 2X wind speed with boat speed being everything and you have the boat with typically a better VMG off wind. Jibe and get into a drag race. Slow down and it is not possible to make up the distance in that short of a course. What's Ainsly making to be there - My 11 year old grand daughter called that one.

These guys may be great sailors, but they have some serious learning to do yet on apparent wind racing. (No way Ashby would have let Barker slow and duck in that situation)

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Originally Posted by P.M.


Is there any light system on the boat that lets them know if there's overlap?

If not then Ainslie has Spidey-vision since I couldn't even tell on that replay.

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They gave up a lot at the top of the course too by unnecessarily pinching to try and keep NZ from laying the mark. That cost them the lead and then they secured it with that slowdown on the downwind leg.


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Originally Posted by mini
WTF. Everyone was screaming about the foiling tack and poor tactics a few days ago, so much so Oracle changed up its aftergard. Whoever made the slowdown and duck call dowind in the last race pulled a monumental F up that made the errors of previous days look like nothing.
You are running 2X wind speed with boat speed being everything and you have the boat with typically a better VMG off wind. Jibe and get into a drag race. Slow down and it is not possible to make up the distance in that short of a course. What's Ainsly making to be there - My 11 year old grand daughter called that one.

These guys may be great sailors, but they have some serious learning to do yet on apparent wind racing. (No way Ashby would have let Barker slow and duck in that situation)

Here's Ainslie's logic on his call.
Ainslie comments on cross


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Originally Posted by Undecided
Is there any light system on the boat that lets them know if there's overlap?

If not then Ainslie has Spidey-vision since I couldn't even tell on that replay.


Tad, did you look at this? In the audio you can here him say they are overlapped. Pretty easy to see from their perspective, as the picture shows. The announcer said it was Slingsby but I thought it was Ainslie. The link has the umpire playback.

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They lost it by rounding the left mark, giving away starboard advantage...

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Philip:

I donno, even in that pic its pretty damn close... I thought that overlap was established by the bow tips, not the sprit.

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Overlap is measured from the stern and Ainslie was in a perfect position to judge this as he is very far aft.

I think the tactical decision to let the kiwis go past was a good one, but was executed poorly (Jimmy put the brakes on).
By going behind them they would have had a chance to block the kiwis from gybing, and be on starboard tack.

Link to the replay starting just before the cross:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI23...zYl&feature=player_detailpage#t=6198

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