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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264074
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Logged out, back up. Hooray


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264076
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We're done today.


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264077
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Anyone else getting lag issues?


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Karl_Brogger] #264078
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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264079
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Originally Posted by P.M.
We're done today.


Bummer


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Karl_Brogger] #264081
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Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
The Chrome extension worked fine, thanks for posting that.

Might want to remember to toggle the extension off when your done. When it is on, I find that it will slow down queries and puts google search into a clusterfauck.

If your learning how to build a bomb, might want to leave it on. smile


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264083
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What a bunch of freaks, get a job will ya.
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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264085
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Originally Posted by P.M.
from the previously posted article:

“I’ll tell you this. I enjoy sailing any boat in any form. But cats give you something that other boats demand special conditions to pay you back.

“It’s called pleasure!

Everybody that tried never went back.

“You cannot go back after you sailed a boat like this”


Philip, who's quote was that?


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Originally Posted by Timbo
Originally Posted by P.M.
from the previously posted article:

“I’ll tell you this. I enjoy sailing any boat in any form. But cats give you something that other boats demand special conditions to pay you back.

“It’s called pleasure!

Everybody that tried never went back.

“You cannot go back after you sailed a boat like this”


Philip, who's quote was that?

Two different guys:
Kostas Trigonis, twice World champion and six-time European champion in the Tornado class.

Last line was quoted by Spithill

http://www.vsail.info/2013/09/17/ko...after-this-americas-cup/?fb_source=pubv1


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264088
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Well since the racing is called off today, I guess we've got time to talk about this:

Do we think the development of these two foiling cats, the L boards in particular, will quickly trickle down into the A cat class, and perhaps other classes as well? I know they are already working with their C type lifting boards, the A's and the Nacra 20, the problem there is it's like riding on a sea-saw.

I'm talking about L boards with T rudders, foiling upwind and down, like these two boats.

I think if there were a type of moveable elevator flap on the T rudders, like the Moths use, it would be much more controllable. Maybe we could just steal a couple dagger boards and rudders off some Moths, and insert them into a light A cat, see what happens?


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264089
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Something happened today that I totally couldn't have predicted even when the new cup format was announced.

I walk into Gabriels Subs down here on Edgewater drive this afternoon. Its the same sub shop that JC took me to when I first moved to town - he grew up around the corner and I go there everyday for lunch - my picture is on the wall (no joke). The ladies that work there knew that I was going on vacation and to SF. They are huge NASCAR and auto racing fans. They make a pilgrimage to Daytona every year, and they wear their Dale/Petty/Stewart shirts proudly.

Today when I went in after coming back from vacation - all three of them had WRITTEN DOWN QUESTIONS about sailing and racing because they watched EVERY SINGLE ONE of those races. They're hooked. I couldn't have predicted this in a million years. They are in love with "dreamy" Dean Barker (ooof) and think that Spithill is "fiesty" and they "Can't wait to see what he'll say next".

What is going on here?

Our passion/hobby/sport has been vaulted into the maintstream for the first time that I can remember.

I cannot imagine taking that allure away at this point.

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264090
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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264091
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I've been watching/DVRing the racing on NBSCN, but it looks like they aren't airing it tomorrow (Wed).

What are my options for catching what could possibly be the final two races of the series? Internet only? If so, where?

Thanks.

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That's because it is not a scheduled day, so DVR schedules are incorrect until they get a schedule update. More than likely, it will be broadcast on NBCSN per their license agreement. If you can, have the DVR record the series and it should get it. Replay on YouTube will be up with in a few hours of the conclusion of racing.


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: Timbo] #264093
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Well since the racing is called off today, I guess we've got time to talk about this:

Do we think the development of these two foiling cats, the L boards in particular, will quickly trickle down into the A cat class, and perhaps other classes as well? I know they are already working with their C type lifting boards, the A's and the Nacra 20, the problem there is it's like riding on a sea-saw.

I'm talking about L boards with T rudders, foiling upwind and down, like these two boats.

I think if there were a type of moveable elevator flap on the T rudders, like the Moths use, it would be much more controllable. Maybe we could just steal a couple dagger boards and rudders off some Moths, and insert them into a light A cat, see what happens?


There's a slight difference in the power plant and power management between a 72 and a beachcat. 13 story wing vs. 30 foot mast. 10 pro sailors vs. 1 or 2 non-pro sailors. They're already doing some development in the A class, but I think it will be hard to come by ( money and skills) for us mere mortals, and very possibly will never materialize as being advantageous.


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Well this guy and several others are already doing it, what I'm wondering about is, the systems they are using to control their ride height. Anyone know if Frank's got T foil rudders with elevator flaps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5doBIv3TVbA

Here's the problem you run into if you cannot control the ride height (at about 1:10 he starts flying)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgjvK_2JZmo


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Originally Posted by Timbo
Well this guy and several others are already doing it, what I'm wondering about is, the systems they are using to control their ride height. Anyone know if Frank's got T foil rudders with elevator flaps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5doBIv3TVbA

Here's the problem you run into if you cannot control the ride height (at about 1:10 he starts flying)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgjvK_2JZmo


Yep, I said that in my post but neither of those videos shows a boat on a race course against other boats, because it hasn't happened sucessfully, in a constantly controlled manner. Hopping and flying are vastly different, you of anybody should know that. grin A great Litmus test is coming up in a week with the Little AC/ C class worlds. Can't wait to see how that goes.


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I found that article by Gino Marelli very interesting, re. their designing of the foiling AC 72's. In it he said it could be done much cheaper and safer, if they were allowed to have adjustable flaps on the foils, or rudders, to control the ride height. He also said the hard wing only adds about 1-2% speed but doubles the cost, due to the wing team needed to take it down and put it up every day.

Makes me wonder if the cheaper/easier stuff will eventually trickle into the A class, like the Moth class, with more a more stable platform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAKWAzyw-s8&list=PL1892028CB1CB5B0A


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Originally Posted by Timbo


Makes me wonder if the cheaper/easier stuff will eventually trickle into the A class, like the Moth class, with more a more stable platform.


Yes, it will next Wednesday at 4:57 am EDT. Now you know.


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