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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | Anyone else getting lag issues?
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | The Chrome extension worked fine, thanks for posting that. Might want to remember to toggle the extension off when your done. When it is on, I find that it will slow down queries and puts google search into a clusterfauck. If your learning how to build a bomb, might want to leave it on.
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | from the previously posted article:
“I’ll tell you this. I enjoy sailing any boat in any form. But cats give you something that other boats demand special conditions to pay you back.
“It’s called pleasure!
Everybody that tried never went back.
“You cannot go back after you sailed a boat like this” Philip, who's quote was that?
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | from the previously posted article:
“I’ll tell you this. I enjoy sailing any boat in any form. But cats give you something that other boats demand special conditions to pay you back.
“It’s called pleasure!
Everybody that tried never went back.
“You cannot go back after you sailed a boat like this” Philip, who's quote was that? Two different guys: Kostas Trigonis, twice World champion and six-time European champion in the Tornado class. Last line was quoted by Spithill http://www.vsail.info/2013/09/17/ko...after-this-americas-cup/?fb_source=pubv1
Philip USA #1006 | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Well since the racing is called off today, I guess we've got time to talk about this:
Do we think the development of these two foiling cats, the L boards in particular, will quickly trickle down into the A cat class, and perhaps other classes as well? I know they are already working with their C type lifting boards, the A's and the Nacra 20, the problem there is it's like riding on a sea-saw.
I'm talking about L boards with T rudders, foiling upwind and down, like these two boats.
I think if there were a type of moveable elevator flap on the T rudders, like the Moths use, it would be much more controllable. Maybe we could just steal a couple dagger boards and rudders off some Moths, and insert them into a light A cat, see what happens?
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | That's because it is not a scheduled day, so DVR schedules are incorrect until they get a schedule update. More than likely, it will be broadcast on NBCSN per their license agreement. If you can, have the DVR record the series and it should get it. Replay on YouTube will be up with in a few hours of the conclusion of racing.
Philip USA #1006 | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | Well since the racing is called off today, I guess we've got time to talk about this:
Do we think the development of these two foiling cats, the L boards in particular, will quickly trickle down into the A cat class, and perhaps other classes as well? I know they are already working with their C type lifting boards, the A's and the Nacra 20, the problem there is it's like riding on a sea-saw.
I'm talking about L boards with T rudders, foiling upwind and down, like these two boats.
I think if there were a type of moveable elevator flap on the T rudders, like the Moths use, it would be much more controllable. Maybe we could just steal a couple dagger boards and rudders off some Moths, and insert them into a light A cat, see what happens? There's a slight difference in the power plant and power management between a 72 and a beachcat. 13 story wing vs. 30 foot mast. 10 pro sailors vs. 1 or 2 non-pro sailors. They're already doing some development in the A class, but I think it will be hard to come by ( money and skills) for us mere mortals, and very possibly will never materialize as being advantageous.
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The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | Yep, I said that in my post but neither of those videos shows a boat on a race course against other boats, because it hasn't happened sucessfully, in a constantly controlled manner. Hopping and flying are vastly different, you of anybody should know that. A great Litmus test is coming up in a week with the Little AC/ C class worlds. Can't wait to see how that goes.
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The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | I found that article by Gino Marelli very interesting, re. their designing of the foiling AC 72's. In it he said it could be done much cheaper and safer, if they were allowed to have adjustable flaps on the foils, or rudders, to control the ride height. He also said the hard wing only adds about 1-2% speed but doubles the cost, due to the wing team needed to take it down and put it up every day. Makes me wonder if the cheaper/easier stuff will eventually trickle into the A class, like the Moth class, with more a more stable platform. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAKWAzyw-s8&list=PL1892028CB1CB5B0A
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Makes me wonder if the cheaper/easier stuff will eventually trickle into the A class, like the Moth class, with more a more stable platform. Yes, it will next Wednesday at 4:57 am EDT. Now you know.
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
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