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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: orphan] #264261
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Originally Posted by orphan
But it is very small things that are killing O. Stuffed bow on the run to mark 1 in race 10. 1 bad tack at the top mark in race 11. Just shows how close the racing is. The real handicap is the courses, they are so short that if you make one mistake there is no time to recover.


At the pointy end of the fleet racing is ALWAYS about who can make the least number of mistakes. The Kiwi's seem to have this part of the game very well sorted.



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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: David Ingram] #264262
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David --Todd and all -I mean no disrespect in the criticsm but what is the start won lost RECORD ?

I HAVE NOTHING BUT ADMIRATION FOR ALL THOSE RACING --

IT IS TRUELY AMAZING and I wish I could experience those catsailing speeds first hand .

My own experiences include professional sailing { back in the late 80s } in PROSAIL and the Ultimate Yacht races --also shown on NBC Sports at that time --so understand completely how the game and sport changes at that level .

I,ve been away from racing several years but recovering and hope to be back on the race course soon .hopefully on a foiling cat of some type ;]



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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: waterbug_wpb] #264264
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
since when has any AC been "affordable"? This ain't the friggin Special Olympics...

Was Sir Lipton's campaign(s) "Affordable"?

Was the 12 meter campaign really "affordable"?

maybe define "affordable"... It's certainly affordable for the two finalists right now, and even some of the challenger teams..

It's always been a "yachting" event between uber-rich... why mess with it?

When else would you see this sort of technology/engineering really get tested on the world stage without some big $$ and ego behind it?

Would any of us even dream of foiling ANYTHING if we just watched 12 meter OD classes going round and round? Having watched the AC finals, it seems everyone all the sudden wants a foiling boat (cat, mono, swim fins, goldfish, etc)

heck, would anyone even watch the AC without these strange flying beasts? It was hard watching AC events of the past even when i WAS rooting for a particular team.. (the paint-drying analogy)



Foiling is Everywhere now! Foiling Windsurfers, foiling kite surfers;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ3cIotGpNc

Foiling Surfboards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3AV1LJwQus

Even foiling Bicycles!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLboyOqi6R8

And foiling kayaks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvlS-4t54cc


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264266
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I would love to see Todd on a foiling bike.


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I,m currently installing foils on my 1995 Cadillac Deville Concourse--should increase mpg by a substantial amount ;]

Funny --I recall the 12 meter A C races when winglets on the bottom of the keel was the design breakthrough ---suddenly you saw winglet keels everywhere --so --we need to be a little carefull about getting caught up in the current designs --but it seems foiling and higher sailing speeds are here to stay.It looks like great fun too .

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264268
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It's easy speed, now that the AC boys have done the R+D work, I'm waiting for the trickle down to get to us. As I've been saying since Gino Morelli brought it up, they (we) need to work on an adjustable flap to adjust the ride height.

The Moth guys have figured it out, we just need to adapt it to our steering system. Looks like Frank Camas has it figured out on that Flying Phantom too. Anyone know what he's using on his rudders for elevator controls?

Here's something easier, for you 'over 50' guys. A guy on my lake has one, I've seen him do some flips, but not over my dock...yet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7B1oYqGW1s



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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: brucat] #264269
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Originally Posted by brucat
Another Kenny-ism that makes me crazy.


is that why he dies on every episode?
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Does it have a jib or spin upgrade?

Originally Posted by Timbo


Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264272
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From my buddy Robert who I've gotten hooked .... again, never stepped on a sailboat in his life...

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It's a damn shame we're not going to see much more of this boat frown
So much fun to watch these races.
I really can't think of another sport I've enjoyed spectating as much as this America's Cup.

Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #264274
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Just pulled this out of the F14 forum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PggiwAYhoTA&feature=share

Flying? Looks pretty much airborne. Controlled? Not seeing a major wipeout. Applicable to your local beachcat? Heck yeah.

Faster round the course? Who cares, he's flying!


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Nice find Sam! I'm looking into how much it will cost to put foils on the 20. Why not. I'll call it the flying brick.

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Let us know Tad, there's a whole fleet of flying bricks up here waiting for the AC72 retrofit kit. I might know a guy who can build the parts...


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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: samc99us] #264278
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Originally Posted by samc99us
Just pulled this out of the F14 forum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PggiwAYhoTA&feature=share

Flying? Looks pretty much airborne. Controlled? Not seeing a major wipeout. Applicable to your local beachcat? Heck yeah.

Faster round the course? Who cares, he's flying!


Nice find, now let's see if the A Cat guys will use it, or some variation of it.


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I have to wonder if Dean'o and the boys at ETNZ will 'throw us a bone' and give Oracle a race or two, today and tomorrow, and try to win it on Saturday in front of a much larger crowd.

Of course, they'll lose most of the TV spectators in the USA by racing on Saturday, going up against the NCAA Football games.


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Originally Posted by Timbo
Originally Posted by samc99us
Just pulled this out of the F14 forum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PggiwAYhoTA&feature=share

Flying? Looks pretty much airborne. Controlled? Not seeing a major wipeout. Applicable to your local beachcat? Heck yeah.

Faster round the course? Who cares, he's flying!


Nice find, now let's see if the A Cat guys will use it, or some variation of it.


That wouldn't fit in the A class rules.

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Updated forecast: wind 8-18 knots, light until 1400 then building.
Race 12: 0.8 knot ebb, limit 22.2 knots.
Race 13: 2.7 knot ebb, 20.3 limit


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Originally Posted by bacho
Originally Posted by Timbo
Originally Posted by samc99us
Just pulled this out of the F14 forum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PggiwAYhoTA&feature=share

Flying? Looks pretty much airborne. Controlled? Not seeing a major wipeout. Applicable to your local beachcat? Heck yeah.

Faster round the course? Who cares, he's flying!


Nice find, now let's see if the A Cat guys will use it, or some variation of it.


That wouldn't fit in the A class rules.


Rules are meant to be broken.


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The 'A's are already playing around with "illegal" foils:
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