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Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD | Size doesn't matter so much with foils once you're above a certain point.
Cavitation happens on the part of the foil that is most highly loaded and doesn't spread under steady-state conditions. You could ventilate the foil as a result of cavitation if the boats ride height changed dramatically.
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#264836 09/24/13 09:59 AM 09/24/13 09:59 AM |
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Posts: 1,403 | Airplane wings are designed to stall in particular areas first. I guess these foils are rather small for that.
If the horizontal surface cavitated, would the problem be limited to that area? Would it be possible for that to immediately ventilate the rest of the foil? I don't know if it is a design thing or it is just the way it happens, but many aircraft wings will stall at the wing root first hence the areolons being outboard to still have authority to control the aircraft. | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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#264837 09/24/13 10:07 AM 09/24/13 10:07 AM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | If the foil cavitates, won't the boat just slow down? sorry,.. was just re-stating what was already said above...
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#264838 09/24/13 10:19 AM 09/24/13 10:19 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Airplane wings are designed to stall in particular areas first. I guess these foils are rather small for that.
If the horizontal surface cavitated, would the problem be limited to that area? Would it be possible for that to immediately ventilate the rest of the foil? As Sam mentioned, the cavitation will start small on a small section of the foil where it is creating the most lift (vacuum). If speed continues to grow, the cavitation will spread. In this case, the cavitation will limit the lift of the foil and start to slow the boat down as it tries to maintain foiling (or the hull touches the water). It probably wouldn't be very dramatic.
Jake Kohl | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | I was going to ask why the cavitation started where it did near the outer edge of the foil rather than the base where it attaches to the vertical surface. would the rake angle of the leading edge have anything to do with that? Would an inverse rake angle help or hurt? Let's assume nothing in the water would get hung up on it
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#264844 09/24/13 11:01 AM 09/24/13 11:01 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I was going to ask why the cavitation started where it did near the outer edge of the foil rather than the base where it attaches to the vertical surface. would the rake angle of the leading edge have anything to do with that? Would an inverse rake angle help or hurt? Let's assume nothing in the water would get hung up on it A forward rake angle helps you with ventilation but not cavitation.
Jake Kohl | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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#264855 09/24/13 12:46 PM 09/24/13 12:46 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Race 17 1.6 knot flood current, 24.6 knot wind limit race 18 1.1 knot flood, 24.1 knot wind limit
Big winds forecast today I'm seeing a forecast of 16 kts out of the east at 2pm local.
Jake Kohl | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 1,658 Florida Suncoast, Dunedin Caus... | Hey while we're waiting... let's start a top 10 list of things from this regatta that you can apply to every day life (since $100,000,000/boat technology will not readily trickle down to our level of the sport).
Here's one (inspired by the gym comment above):
If you're sitting in your office chair, and you lean to one side, and the sounds that come from the chair remind you of the groaning rigs of the AC72s, you might want to find your way back to the gym...
Mike You don't need the gym. A little silicone spray will fix that.
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#264857 09/24/13 01:10 PM 09/24/13 01:10 PM |
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | Race 17 1.6 knot flood current, 24.6 knot wind limit race 18 1.1 knot flood, 24.1 knot wind limit
Big winds forecast today I'm seeing a forecast of 16 kts out of the east at 2pm local. Out of the East? Are you ok Jake?
Philip USA #1006 | | | Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | We all know we have sex-breath McGee finally! Thanks for that investigative journalism
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