Dean Barker after the presser. Doesn't sound very confident.
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: P.M.]
#264991 09/24/1308:36 PM09/24/1308:36 PM
What a critical moment in RACE 18 (2nd Race) Time mark: 1:20:30 to 1:22:30 A lot is happening here, like 2 questionable tacks by NZ, but the "play it again moment" is when Oracle "foils" over NZ while maintaining the same height, and does it 5 knots faster than NZ. That gentlemen, is the Holy Grail for Oracle upwind. Time positioned at 1:20:30
Philip USA #1006
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: P.M.]
#264998 09/24/1310:17 PM09/24/1310:17 PM
In a way, I think ETNZ has already lost much of what they wanted. At this point the score sheet will always show that OTUSA won more races. I don't think ETNZ wanted an asterisk beside the cup.
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: P.M.]
#265001 09/25/1305:11 AM09/25/1305:11 AM
It seems to me the jury has brought more attention to the O king post change and hurt the AC more than if they had just let O take themselves out of the pre cup races. If O does not win today it will always be the cup where the jury changed the outcome and how many times do we have to hear the reason O has two less wins every time they put up the race results.
Could Oracle have been sandbagging the first races? If not their progress if fenomenal!
Could be? There's talk on SA of the whole thing being rigged, while I doubt it, I also don't discount it as being a possibility.
something definitely doesn't add up.........
it's like NZL threw away the real crew and put a bunch rank amaturers
to me it looks like they are deliberately throwing it away.... cant belive the sudden change, if it looks like shyte, smells like shyte.... its probably shyte !!
Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips
Kingy started with Impara Cadet #3 / Mosquito #245 & now Mosquitos #1182 & #1740
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: Pirate]
#265004 09/25/1305:49 AM09/25/1305:49 AM
Could Oracle have been sandbagging the first races? If not their progress if fenomenal!
Could be? There's talk on SA of the whole thing being rigged, while I doubt it, I also don't discount it as being a possibility.
something definitely doesn't add up.........
it's like NZL threw away the real crew and put a bunch rank amaturers
to me it looks like they are deliberately throwing it away.... cant belive the sudden change, if it looks like shyte, smells like shyte.... its probably shyte !!
These guys are sailors - not hollywood actors - and you can see Deano's desperation on his face after the races yesterday. He really did look like a man who knows millions of people's hopes and dreams rest on his shoulders and he's not able to handle the burden anymore.
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: P.M.]
#265007 09/25/1306:18 AM09/25/1306:18 AM
If you think yesterday's race was the best ever, wait for the last one. With nothing to lose on either side, I'm expecting a full-on knife fight. It's going to be really hard to stick to a "game plan."
Mike
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: Pirate]
#265008 09/25/1306:20 AM09/25/1306:20 AM
Could Oracle have been sandbagging the first races? If not their progress if fenomenal!
Could be? There's talk on SA of the whole thing being rigged, while I doubt it, I also don't discount it as being a possibility.
something definitely doesn't add up.........
it's like NZL threw away the real crew and put a bunch rank amaturers
to me it looks like they are deliberately throwing it away.... cant belive the sudden change, if it looks like shyte, smells like shyte.... its probably shyte !!
Really? That would be a pretty large conspiracy. Good luck trying to keep that hidden. It's really quite simple (Occam's Razor)...Oracle has made significant configuration and control changes to their boat and has a whole new upwind gear set. If there's anything sneaky to it, perhaps Oracle hasn't been showing everything they have upwind in the last several races until that last upwind leg. That was an astounding show of strength to come across the course and close that gap so fast. I can see why they might do this so as to not set New Zealand into a panic of development until it is too late.
Jake Kohl
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: Jake]
#265010 09/25/1306:24 AM09/25/1306:24 AM
Could Oracle have been sandbagging the first races? If not their progress if fenomenal!
Could be? There's talk on SA of the whole thing being rigged, while I doubt it, I also don't discount it as being a possibility.
something definitely doesn't add up.........
it's like NZL threw away the real crew and put a bunch rank amaturers
to me it looks like they are deliberately throwing it away.... cant belive the sudden change, if it looks like shyte, smells like shyte.... its probably shyte !!
Really? That would be a pretty large conspiracy. Good luck trying to keep that hidden. It's really quite simple (Occam's Razor)...Oracle has made significant configuration and control changes to their boat and has a whole new upwind gear set. If there's anything sneaky to it, perhaps Oracle hasn't been showing everything they have upwind in the last several races. I can see why they might do this so as to not set New Zealand into a panic of development until it is too late.
Don't let reason get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: brucat]
#265011 09/25/1306:27 AM09/25/1306:27 AM
If you think yesterday's race was the best ever, wait for the last one. With nothing to lose on either side, I'm expecting a full-on knife fight. It's going to be really hard to stick to a "game plan."
Mike
I bet it's a clean start. These guys are showing incredible sportsmanship given the fire in their bellies. I'm proud to be a sailor with these guys around.
Compare those guys to this nightmare of public relations the last time a multihull was in the cup: http://youtu.be/-h7pKHnZs1g?t=31s
Jake Kohl
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: P.M.]
#265012 09/25/1306:29 AM09/25/1306:29 AM
Could Oracle have been sandbagging the first races? If not their progress if fenomenal!
Could be? There's talk on SA of the whole thing being rigged, while I doubt it, I also don't discount it as being a possibility.
something definitely doesn't add up.........
it's like NZL threw away the real crew and put a bunch rank amaturers
to me it looks like they are deliberately throwing it away.... cant belive the sudden change, if it looks like shyte, smells like shyte.... its probably shyte !!
These guys are sailors - not hollywood actors - and you can see Deano's desperation on his face after the races yesterday. He really did look like a man who knows millions of people's hopes and dreams rest on his shoulders and he's not able to handle the burden anymore.
My wife brought something like this up while we were watching the replay, that is they let them win to drag it out and make more money etc... She noted it looked like the Kiwi didn't bother showing up yesterday......
I told her this is not the LA Lakers in the Showtime Years where could have put a beat down on any of the teams the faced in the championship and kept it going for the TV money.
Anyway, here is what the wind is looking like today
TAF - Terminal Area Forecast KOAK - Oakland, California Updated at 11:53 AM GMT on September 25, 2013 (4:53 AM PDT):
ID: KOAK Oakland, CA REPORT TIME: 25 11:23 VALID TIME: 25 September AT 12:00Z to 26 September AT 18:00Z. INITIAL WX WINDS: 290 AT 11 VISIBILITY: >6.0 MILES CLOUDS: CLEAR NEW WX STARTING: 18:00Z WINDS: 280 AT 15 GUST 20 VISIBILITY: >6.0 MILES CLOUDS: CLEAR NEW WX STARTING: 21:00Z WINDS: 270 AT 18 GUST 24 VISIBILITY: >6.0 MILES CLOUDS: CLEAR NEW WX STARTING: 03:00Z WINDS: 280 AT 10 VISIBILITY: >6.0 MILES CLOUDS: CLEAR NEW WX STARTING: 09:00Z WINDS: 310 AT 4 VISIBILITY: >6.0 MILES CLOUDS: CLEAR NEW WX STARTING: 15:00Z WINDS: 30 AT 3 VISIBILITY: >6.0 MILES CLOUDS: CLEAR COMMENTS: =
Last edited by Ventucky Red; 09/25/1306:32 AM.
Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed
[Re: Jake]
#265015 09/25/1306:56 AM09/25/1306:56 AM
If you think yesterday's race was the best ever, wait for the last one. With nothing to lose on either side, I'm expecting a full-on knife fight. It's going to be really hard to stick to a "game plan."
Mike
I bet it's a clean start. These guys are showing incredible sportsmanship given the fire in their bellies. I'm proud to be a sailor with these guys around.
Compare those guys to this nightmare of public relations the last time a multihull was in the cup: http://youtu.be/-h7pKHnZs1g?t=31s
I'm a little worried about JS. He can sometimes handle the wheel aggressively when the adrenalin gets pumpin'. He lost a couple hundred meters here when this happened. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_q1Tfb7maQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=4536 If it's close racing at speed, I hope he handles the wheel like a volquartsen trigger.
