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N 17s and Miami SWC #268911
01/29/14 04:07 PM
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Only five races have been sailed. Today was a genuine washout, but at least all the boats were towed in during the deluge... hoping for WIND and clear skies tomorrow and Friday.

Hoping for a better report tomorrow. The USA teams still have a bit of climbing to do.

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Re: N 17s and Miami SWC [Re: catandahalf] #268959
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We nailed four races today with CoCs in all races except race nine. Check the US Sailing site for live tracking and results if you are not already doing so.

ISAF regs will test one's skill and endurance due the strict time targets and axis maintenance.

More rain is forecast for tomorrow.

There has been no time for pics due to being short handed on our mark set boat. The two meter cylinders are a pain in the a$$.

I bet the mixed results may be offering a look at the depth in this class after one year.

Aloha,
Bert

Re: N 17s and Miami SWC [Re: catandahalf] #268963
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Originally Posted by catandahalf
We nailed four races today with CoCs ...


What is CofC? (The only thing I know that as is College of Charleston).


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Also, what's up with all the SCPs on day 1?
"SCP - Took a scoring penalty under rule 44.3"
Results link here

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Re: N 17s and Miami SWC [Re: Jake] #268972
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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by catandahalf
We nailed four races today with CoCs ...


What is CofC? (The only thing I know that as is College of Charleston).


That was my first thought as well. My guess is "change of course."


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Re: N 17s and Miami SWC [Re: catandahalf] #268973
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Very normal to have courses change at the ISAF level of events (Olympics, Worlds and some feeder events). It's often planned and preferred, regardless of whether there is a change in the wind.

For example, a longer initial weather leg is preferred to reduce carnage at the weather mark and ensuing marks, it is then necessary to reduce the course length for the following weather leg(s) to meet the target time.

2 meter cylinders are easy, 8 foot tetrehedrons suck...

Mike

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The results are... interesting. Not a great showing by Team USA. A few moments of brilliance, but too many big numbers. frown

Mike

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Jeff, I met David this morning as they were drifting by. He seems to be a nice kid with his heart in a good place. I understand he did very well - friendly ambassador for the young up and comers.

I heard the National Team will be announced in a couple of weeks.

Jake, we hardly ever get through a day of racing on the gulf coast without several course adjustments to accommodate a shift during a race. The easy way out is to watch the wind shift, laugh, and have another beverage. I was not brought up that way. I noticed at Tradewinds, a couple years ago, that they were enjoying steady breeze driven by a cold front and a tropical tradewind effect. That is really true in Hawaii, but life outside the trades requires attentive course management to maintain a fair and square race course.

In Miami, we performed several "yellow mark" and offset resets due to the time limit as well (+ or - trick) with the same axis (original upwind course heading).

Yesterday we lost one of the Swiss Timing transponders during a reset.

Actually Mike, the new ISAF marks are spheres with an inner bladder and outside skin. They are hard to inflate and deflate and present problems due to weight and complexity of transponder rigging. If they are too soft; they do not want to come in the boat. I can short tow tetras of any size, but these buoys are mean. They are easy to see, but they become a bear in a sea state.

Overall, we had a fine event that was conducted by international race officers with regional, national, and blue collar (like me), club race officers on all the mark boats. The Canadians play a strong role every year.

There were many youth teams present that are setting the stage for a strong USA effort during this quad.

JC and Sarah are stoked about their future in Europe and the SWC regattas forthcoming in 2014.

This regatta proved to be a great evolution for the art of catamaran racing in our nation even though there will be no USA team in the Medal Racing (-:

Headed home tomorrow - B




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Bert, I just wanted to thank you and your colleague for volunteering as a race officers for the OCR's....Without folks like yourself, the enormous effort to run a world class event would simply not happen. It's not like this is your yacht club.. The panhandle is a long way from Miami!! Thanks for serving.

I know pikers like myself, count on good luck, and overlook the work of the RC at these things.... asking... "Why do we need all of this staff....Why does it cost so much... Hell we run good races with a bayliner and a zodiac." The whole point of the Olympic/World cup level of competition is to eliminate luck as much as possible and have sailor skill be the key factor in medals. The sailors are so good AND they are so close in skill that if you don't keep the race course fair.... the changing conditions will favor some in the fleet. So...the term Olympic equipment and Olympic race management mean a lot and are important.





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From an observer that used to race quite a bit, point of view, the whole medal races thing seems to add a luck factor that wasn't there before. The need for consistency through out the regatta would be some what reduced wouldn't it?

Also as a sailing bigot i am pleased that the male skippers are at the top, while at the same time disappointed that usa kind of sucks at top level cat racing these days.

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Great job Bert! I know a few people who share the privilege of working that event. Takes a great team to pull all of that together.

Thanks for clarifying about those "cylinders" as you first called them. The marks with the telemetry seem like overkill to me, but I understand why they are used. It will be nice when they turn them into fully automated drones someday...

Mike

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Originally Posted by jollyrodgers
From an observer that used to race quite a bit..

Also as a sailing bigot i am pleased that the male skippers are at the top..


You are so incredibly out if touch with the state of sailing it amazes me. Maybe this is the reason sailing has had growth problems.


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Originally Posted by Jeff.Dusek
Originally Posted by jollyrodgers
From an observer that used to race quite a bit..

Also as a sailing bigot i am pleased that the male skippers are at the top..


You are so incredibly out if touch with the state of sailing it amazes me. Maybe this is the reason sailing has had growth problems.


I had assumed that he meant that women were being successful on the front of the boat in light of everyone "naturally" assuming that women would have to helm a N17 in order to have a successful mixed team.


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Originally Posted by Jeff.Dusek
Originally Posted by jollyrodgers
From an observer that used to race quite a bit..

Also as a sailing bigot i am pleased that the male skippers are at the top..


You are so incredibly out if touch with the state of sailing it amazes me. Maybe this is the reason sailing has had growth problems.


out of touch with your world...very much so.
We have people coming here from around the world all year to kite surf and wind surf. Never have checked the facts about the decline of sailing.
Maybe the decline has something to with the economy, or mass mind programing, or the corporate world moving most of the industry out of the states. Yachting is sort of an upper middle class thing, and that class is getting smaller in the states.
Hobie sailing is being picked back up by other countries now and is having the biggest worlds ever right now. Yet some how 1 guy on the internet rooting for team "guy drivers" is hurting sailing.

The idea that men wouldn't be able to captain a cat in the olympics bothered me a little, and now i see man captains do have a shot and will prolly win the medals.
Also what Jake said. Women are strong enough to run the front sails contrary to early speculation. Also to be fair there are many women skippers that win against men. Maybe one will win a gold, but i am hoping that driving racing cats is one thing that men can do better. Kind of like wave sailing on windsurfers. We have so few things that we are better at i am grasping at straws here.

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Originally Posted by jollyrodgers
... Also to be fair there are many women skippers that win against men. Maybe one will win a gold, but i am hoping that driving racing cats is one thing that men can do better. Kind of like wave sailing on windsurfers. We have so few things that we are better at i am grasping at straws here.


Dude...SMH. I'm sorry I defended you with an alternate interpretation. My last hope is that this is an attempt at humor.


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? The dude pays the opposite sex a compliment and he's catching flack for it...


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That was a compliment? I feel sorry for your wife.


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maybe it's just a bad job of explaining his point smirk


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