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#272535 05/20/14 02:11 PM 05/20/14 02:11 PM |
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#272536 05/20/14 02:12 PM 05/20/14 02:12 PM |
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#272540 05/20/14 02:53 PM 05/20/14 02:53 PM |
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL waterbug_wpb
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | Oh, I know - and I understand. I've just never looked at it from this side of the window.
and since you'll be in it next year, you won't HAVE to look at it from this side of the window for long
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#272557 05/20/14 05:55 PM 05/20/14 05:55 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Looks like the breeze is about 12mph and is going to stay steady out of the NE for most of today building up to 18mph around 5pm. Should be pretty close to a one tack day but close hauled and double trapped. With the day they had yesterday, those without really comfortable trapeze systems are going to be certainly feeling it tonight after two days of upwind trapeze work. Hopefully they're taking steps to make sure they stay fed and hydrated on the wire - this is really important when you have subsequent days with extended trapeze work.
Given the wind forcast for today, I would expect the teams to stay very tight to the beach just outside the sandbars and breaking surf so they can get the advantage of a little more easterly angle on the breeze (the breeze will likely bend a little more northerly further off the shore line). It will be an upwind drag race and the semi-lifting foils on the Marstrom (Marspeed) and the Nacra Carbon 20 (Key Sailing) should provide a nice speed advantage today. Boat speed will be king today and most of that will come from the fine trimming of the main sail through the gusts and waves to keep a hull flying and the sails efficient through the air. The F18 is pretty refined for upwind work compared to the older sail and hull shapes on the Nacra 20. We should see the Marstrom/Carbon 20, F18s, and Nacra 20s hit the beach in roughly this order today.
The wind should clock further east over the next couple of days. They may be able to use their spinnakers some tomorrow. That leg to Vero Beach should be really quick. Its like you where here.
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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#272558 05/20/14 06:01 PM 05/20/14 06:01 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | The Nacra 20s (non carbon variety) seem to be holding their own upwind...interesting. It was a mix of on the nose and slightly cracked off negating the the upwind edge the F18s seem to have. Yes the harness was an issue today, I like my goodall but not for 6 hours in one go.
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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#272568 05/21/14 06:11 AM 05/21/14 06:11 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | The forecast has been changing quite a bit for today but the best I can tell is that the trapeze harness soreness isn't going to get much of a break today. Soreness is going to be moving out of the way to make room for more soreness as I would expect teams to continue the double trapeze work as they make their way to Vero Beach. At this point, sailors will feel the harness straps every time the boat comes off a wave and staying focused on boat speed and in rhythm with the wind and waves will be just a little bit harder. We will probably see the more experienced distance racing veterans have a little edge in this regard today but I guarantee you that they are grumbling about the upwind work as much as anyone. Food and water, food and water - even though it's difficult to eat and drink from the wire, it's so critically important to keep to a food and water regimen when you are trapping repeatedly so you can enhance your body's ability to physically recover. The hand swelling is probably kicking in pretty good this morning for the folks that have the mainsheet in their hands during the day. The combination of the persistent sheet loads and constant salt water soaking is taking a toll on the muscles, tendons, and skin. They're probably sitting a breakfast right now noting how they are unable to make a closed fist due to the swelling. You always think that the condition of your hands will be a big deal during the day but once you punch through the surf and make that left turn, you never think about it again until the next morning. Note to ground crews; an ice bucket from the room filled with icy water is good on the hands at the finish line each day and helps keep the swelling down a little. It initially appeared as if the wind would start to become a little more southerly today perhaps giving an opportunity for the spinnakers to come out for some of today's trip. As we zoom into the forecast this morning, the southerly angle is gone and it looks very similar to what we've seen the last two days with ~maybe~ a little more easterly. As was the case yesterday, there probably won't be enough wind angle start thinking about spinnakers today. I've got my fingers crossed that they get a little more angle on the breeze allowing the teams to get the kites out and change their positions around on the boats a little but it's a pretty slim chance. The teams will likely start in a moderate 10mph breeze that will increase as a little sea breeze starts to circulate between 11am and 4pm. Because the humidity is relatively low, there won't be a huge sea breeze but there will be enough that the teams will continue to stick close to shore to take advantage of another click or two of breeze and just a little better wind angle. Wave height should be a manageable 3 feet but still making the crew work on the main sheet ever important to keep the boat on it's toes. The surf on the beach is decent but they will have enough wind to punch through and it should be a tidy and pretty start to watch. Hopefully Team Solar Wind will post some additional video of the start - they had a great video of a little calamity of yesterday's start at http://www.solarwind.solar/ David pointed out yesterday that the cracked off angle let the Nacra 20s start to stretch their legs. We'll see more of that again today - perhaps even a little more. Finishing order should be the Marstrom/Nacra Carbon20, Nacra20s, F18s but it's still up to the sailors to keep the bows down and boats hauling. On a personal note, I'm really missing not partaking in this event. It hasn't been an "ideal" wind angle so far in this race but they've certainly had wind. I remember a Tybee I raced in (no idea which one) where the spinnaker came out of the bag once for about 10 minutes during the entire 500 mile trip and we got kinda sick of looking at the snuffer with the kite still in it after days of upwind and reaching work. This looks like it will be a very similar event and the teams will universally share a great sense of accomplishment when they slide into Cocoa Beach tomorrow evening (and boat owners will rejoice at the lack of wear and tear on their kites).
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#272570 05/21/14 06:54 AM 05/21/14 06:54 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | The more I look at the forecast, I'm starting to really question how/when/if the sea breeze will get going today. They could have spots of lightish 10mph wind during the day or it could be breezy the whole way to Vero Beach. My best guess is 10 at the start building to 14 for a short while between 12 and 2pm and probably dropping back to 10 as they approach Vero. If it does get to the lighter end of the forecast, it might pay to keep an eye out for patterns in the breeze near the shore because the sea breeze may sputter. They're going to be right on shore anyway so it's not going to be a game of big breaking decisions but I would look for any difference in the breeze strength and angle right at the surf line, 100, 200, and 300 yards off the beach to make sure you are positioned for the best wind. When the seabreeze is getting started, it usually starts right in the surf line but it can sometimes do weird things and start affecting the surface wind for a short streak 100 yards or more off the beach and not make it to the surf. Also watch the position of any other team that looks like they may have hold of a better line of wind. Always keep in mind who has the most experience in those conditions and watch them closely - but don't always assume that they have the best plan.
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#272573 05/21/14 07:08 AM 05/21/14 07:08 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Here's what Wind Alert has to say about it, put in Vero Beach, then click on any reported spot and then click 'forecast'. Vero Beach looks like east at 10 building to 13 later today, but tomorrow looks really light. http://www.windalert.com/
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#272574 05/21/14 07:13 AM 05/21/14 07:13 AM |
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Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine | Trackers are active. Looks like they're lined up. On a personal note, I'm really missing not partaking in this event. Me too my friend. Me too.
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#272576 05/21/14 07:31 AM 05/21/14 07:31 AM |
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Posts: 1,121 Eastern NC, USA | 29 seconds elapsed between the first and second F18 yesterday after 6+ hours of racing.
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | 29 seconds elapsed between the first and second F18 yesterday after 6+ hours of racing. It can be crazy how tight it can be. We had a leg into Cocoa several years ago that went from 10am to 3am the next day. The night sky was completely overcast and we sailed all that darkness only seeing a boat once at around midnight. It was Jamie Livingston and we almost collided 1 mile offshore with our kites up as he flashed across our bow out of the complete blackness (not a good time for us to own a dark blue boat). As we were about an hour away from the finish, a hole in the clouds opened up and the moon allowed us to see FOUR boats right with us. We crossed into the surf line overlapped with Team Tygart at about 2:30am after 16.5 hours of racing. That was also the finish where one of the ground crew members was in the surf to "help" the boats in (it was blowing 12 and we were sailing in with kites up...no help needed). Someone on the beach, obviously concerned for that person's well being, lit up the person with a spot light but also hit me in my very dark adjusted eyes with the beam. Blinded (and a bit confused at what just happened) I lost my bearings with the waves and let one accelerate under the stern driving the bow hard into the sand. Frank and I both were thrown from the boat but our sharp (and sober) ground crew caught the boat before it flipped. We've also seen an entire race win come down to 10 seconds after 500 miles.
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#272580 05/21/14 08:25 AM 05/21/14 08:25 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Just wanted Brother Ding's livestream feed. First wave of boat left on starboard tack and some struggled through the surf. Ding opted to let the stragglers go past and go out on port on a much better angle. They punched out rather easily and turned just outside the surf while others in the first tier launch struggled mightly in the surf on starboard tack. Port was definitely the right call.
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