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[Re: rehmbo]
#243385 02/01/12 06:38 PM 02/01/12 06:38 PM |
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#243397 02/02/12 07:56 AM 02/02/12 07:56 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Poly vinyl alcohol. It's a spray on mold release (spray with paint sprayer). You build up several layers to form a film that is almost like saran wrap and can be peeled off when cured or washed away - it's very water soluble and easy to remove. It makes a pretty bullet-proof mold release or an air barrier for gelcoat that you need to cure in the open air. When spraying on a waxed surface, you have to mist on the first coat or two and let each coat dry for about 15 minutes. Then you can lay down two or three nice glossy coats. It dries pretty smooth and glossy but it's about impossible to get a completely glassy smooth finish on it so it's probably not the best thing out there to use as a release for a very high end mold. It is waterbased so it works very well with ester based resins. You have to be sure to get a thick enough barrier when using epoxy...but it doesn't seem to affect the finish of the epoxy at all. I buy mine at www.uscomposites.com but I'm sure www.fiberglasssupply.com or www.aircraftspruce.com has it as well.
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#274554 08/09/14 04:23 PM 08/09/14 04:23 PM |
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Posts: 22 | What's the best epoxy (with what characteristics) to use for this? I've decided to use epoxy and a pigment to color it in order to avoid that yellowing. Also, can you use cabosil with all epoxies to thicken it?
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#274572 08/10/14 09:18 PM 08/10/14 09:18 PM | Scarecrow
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#274583 08/11/14 06:57 AM 08/11/14 06:57 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | No matter what pigment you add (unless it's black and use also use aluminum powder), epoxy will yellow.
The boat I have now had the beams previously bedded (by POs) with gelcoat. It's holding up just fine and where it oozed out it matches the boat perfectly.
I also just wax the beams with four or five coats of a good carnuba wax. I've never had a problem with them releasing (you have to go to some advanced etching to get epoxy or polyester resins to adhere to aluminum).
Jake Kohl | | | Re: best way to bed your beams ?
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#274682 08/13/14 02:49 PM 08/13/14 02:49 PM |
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD samc99us
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Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD | I don't understand why you don't just spray PVA on the beams. It would take about 10 seconds to spray with PVA. Some people just like to work harder I guess. Because PVA adds thickness which results in a not-as-tight fit as possible after it dissolves away. The wax works just fine. A semi-firm tap with a rubber mallet and the beams will release perfectly with a coat or two of wax. Mike (the other Mike), I'm not sure I see the point of leveling the beams or even loosening the dolphin striker. I will take an "X" measurement on the boat to check squareness and try to do a little to square it up if it's out much...but you're not moving it much at all since the beam bolts are threaded into the hull. You have only the minimal amount of slop available in the beam through holes for the long bolt anyway..so most correction you put on it is just going to spring back after you release it anyway. Canted hulls introduce another level of difficulty (not the case with this F18 in question). PVA is 2-4 mils thick in a heavy application (0.002"- 0.004"). It can be applied thinner to aluminum (0.001-0.002"): http://www.rexco-usa.com/documents/TDS_Partall%20Film%2010.pdfIf 0.002" is a concern to you, go ahead and not use the PVA. PVA guarantees a release every time. I use 2-3 coats of wax (Rexco Partall Paste #2), followed by a light brush coat of PVA, tape off beam sockets with drop cloth and add thickened (with cabosil) gelcoat to the sockets. Plug the holes in the beams with the Partall Paste wax and avoid putting gelcoat near the bolt holes.
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[Re: samc99us]
#274684 08/13/14 02:58 PM 08/13/14 02:58 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | So does waxing the bare aluminum beam and not going through the extra step with PVA. I've seated more than my share of beams and they all released with a slight tap with a rubber mallet.
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