I know...I've been resisting the urge to post something about how that entire port approach at the pin was not smart. I couldn't find the exact rule number to cite for that.

And, hey, Ding...yeah. I'm saving up my insults for F18 NAs!

wow... that's going to sound like an ADHD with turettes

Promptly. See the definition of room. When in doubt about exactly what constitutes "promptly", substitute the phrase "without delay".

Let's talk about something else... Barging! Saw some interesting stuff behind the signal boat at Roton Point this weekend. At one point, I actually heard a windward boat tell a leeward boat (who should have known better), "You have to give me room!" as he was reaching in from several lengths away...

I know that L has to close the door before W gets to the signal boat (you can't luff someone into the signal boat and survive the hearing), but this was pretty blatant.

Mike

Or, you could check my video to make sure I described the Port/ Port/ Windward mark situation correctly? That would continue to be helpful...:)

yes, interesting topic. Let me get my head on straight here with a few definitions:

- Am I correct in reading the RRS that "a boat has no proper course before her starting signal"?

- "starting signal" being later defined as the start (removal of class flag)? the signal flags (class, prep, etc) all refer to "Minutes before starting signal"

- Barging, in this discussion, would mean someone sailing into a position where there is not enough room for them? And they're hoping that room will open up for them either by happenstance or freaking out the other boats?


If those parameters are agreed, I can't see where this "barging" behavior wouldn't involve huge potential for contact/fouling by the barging party.

Experts, please weigh in...

The first two points are correct. Barging most often happens when a boat (W) sees what looks like a nice space to leeward of the signal boat, and to windward of the nearest racing boat (L). That space usually goes away quickly as the clock winds down. A good crew on L will not let W in there, but the only legal way to keep W out is to luff with enough time such that W can't get overlapped with the stern of the signal boat. If that happens, L has allowed W space to which W was not entitled, but at that point has no recourse (especially not luffing W into the signal boat).

At least, that's how I understand it. There are rules and cases if anyone wants to do a little digging...

Mike

I think barging is a significant enough topic to deserve its own thread, so I created Racing Rules: "Barging". Let's discuss it there rather than further hijacking this thread.

Regards,
Eric

Is this video related to the incident described on page 1 of this thread? If so, wish we had this sooner. The green boat was clearly fouled if contact was made. From what I can tell, green didn't alter course and rounded very close to the mark.

Mike

Yes page one, related to the situation I described. Green (Windward/clear ahead at the zone/ inside at the mark) did turn up, not to avoid leeward, but to round the mark as quickly as possible...

So I take it my description of the situation matches the video? I think you had a thread about how video footage is often different than how boats involved present their case.

The rest of your discussion was helpful as well. It caused me to recall that in most cases another boat force my to tack.