| US N17 fleet in flux before Miami OCR cut day. #276478 12/01/14 05:32 PM 12/01/14 05:32 PM |
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Well it looks like the top three US N17 teams have split up and are racing with new partners. Handicapping the teams will be tough.
The Miami OCR N17 fleet is capped at 40 entries with 47 applications submitted... It looks like a good number of the US teams won't make the cut. (The US gets one extra and then each country gets a slot until the magic cutoff is reached) Dec 5th is the cut day.... The US looks like they will allocate the remaining slots at the MLK pre regatta.
Hopefully this flux works out for the USA and we can qualify for one of the remaining 9 slots for Rio.
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Posts: 554 Boston, Ma | American Entries:
John Casey/Kristen Lane Courtney Clamp/ David Whitehurst Robbie Daniel/ Sarah Streater Michael Easton/ Katie Pettibone Cate Gundlach/ Garrett Brown David Hein/ Jessica Claflin Stephanie Hudson/ tbd Mark Mendelblatt/ Carolina Mendelblatt Sarah Newberry/ Matthew Whitehead Stephanie Roble/ Tripp Burd Sandra Tartaglino/ Tyler Burd Jeremy Wilmot/ Louisa Chafee
Lots of potentially good pairings. JC will definitely be fast on the helm, and it will be interesting to see how quickly Kristen adjusts to the front of the boat (she had been skippering the 49erfx). Easton/Pettibone have a ton of potential in my opinion, and they will be training a lot leading up to the event. Roble/Burd will be fast because, well, Burd. Newberry/Whitehead bring lots of experience and will likely get up to speed as a team quick.
My prediction: 1. Easton/Pettibone 2. JC/Lane 3. Wilmot/Chafee 4. Roble/Burd
Only four spots left for the US to qualify for Rio- 3 at the 2015 Worlds, and 1 at Continental qualification event
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Jeff,
My read of the US Sailing team selection process is that the top three ISAF ranked sailors are teams 1 through 3..
So that puts Newberry Daniel Hudson in the OCR's with their new partners. (usually the helm takes priority)
The US probably gets 2 more slots that will be awarded at the MLK event.
I would say that Casey, Easton and Mendelblatt are the most experienced helms in the remaining pool and hopefully the US gets six teams into the OCR.
It will be very tough to get into the remaining gold cup events without scoring well at the OCR and that is important to have a good shot that a team could catch fire an qualify the US for a spot.
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#276483 12/02/14 08:26 AM 12/02/14 08:26 AM |
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Posts: 3,969 | Of course, lots of cat sailors on the list from which to choose your favorite.
I'm highly intrigued by the list of "unknowns" (or at least, lesser-knowns, aka non-cat-sailors like Jeff). Are these folks the future of our sport, or are they just in it as an experiment?
Any rundown of hometowns and prior experience available for the field?
Here is my extent of "knowledge" of the newbies, feel free to add/correct...
Stephanie Hudson is the former dinghy sailor, was sailing the N17 at a ton of international events with Ian this past year, correct? Their results were steadily improving over the year.
Jessica Claflin is from RI and came up through NBYA regattas before heading to Brown. She used to hang out on the side of the signal boat and talk to the RC while waiting for the rest of the fleet to finish. No clue how she wound up on cats with David Hein?
Chafee is a very RI name (politicians), Louisa's another Brown grad, and raced with Hein at the F16 Worlds in Newport this year. Wilmot's an import, maybe he has citizenship by now? I've seen their boat at Sail Newport.
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Posts: 554 Boston, Ma | Jeff,
My read of the US Sailing team selection process is that the top three ISAF ranked sailors are teams 1 through 3..
Mark, I believe you are correct, and I'm pretty sure the ISAF ranking travels with the skipper. What I don't know is if US Sailing is having a qualification event for any additional spots, or if they will allocate all the spots through qualifying. It an incredibly transparent process/organization (sarcasm). Mike, As far as some of the new folks: Kristen Lane- experience as helm in Melges 24, 29er, 49erfx, etc. Not sure cat/crewing experience Courtney Clamp- Sailed in college for UF, I don't think a huge cat background Katie Pettibone- America's Cup and Whitbread experience Jessica Claflin- Started sailing with David earlier this fall, been training in Newport and Miami. Did some F18 sailing with us this spring as an intro to cats. Stephanie Roble- Sailed for ODU in college, top level Laser Radial sailor before switching to match racing where she is one of the top women in the world Louisa Chafee- Sailed for Brown, been sailing with Jeremy regularly for the last year. I think her first cat sail was also on an F18 with Tripp. Pretty certain Jeremy can sail for the US now.
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Posts: 3,969 | Cool, thanks Jeff. Glad they're cutting their teeth with existing cat fleets, maybe that will help with retention?
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Jeff I believe you are correct, and I'm pretty sure the ISAF ranking travels with the skipper. What I don't know is if US Sailing is having a qualification event for any additional spots, or if they will allocate all the spots through qualifying. It an incredibly transparent process/organization (sarcasm).
They actually are transparent this time... Adams has a memo that clearly states... after the top three ISAF slots.... the MLK pre event will decide the remaining US slots in all classes... So... It is 40 slots... I think 17 countries are entered so far... Only the USA has more then 4 boats registered... so... I think the US gets 4 certain slots and maybe 5 boats into the game. Six would be perfect. It will be game on for all of the new teams at the MLK event. I am confused about the total slots for rio tho... I read that there are 20 slots for multis... so 19 plus Brazil. (This is more then in China???) They have awarded a bunch so far (10).... and then 3 at then next ISAF worlds and then 1 more at the 2-15 continentals... Other continentals are also awarding one slot.. (Africa gets a continental slot to award) Does that continental slot have to go to a country within that continent? Is that why you say 3 plus the 1 slots are available? or are there really 9 open slots left with a year plus to go?
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Does that continental slot have to go to a country within that continent? Is that why you say 3 plus the 1 slots are available? or are there really 9 open slots left with a year plus to go? Good to know, haven't seen that memo anywhere. My reading of the qualification system is that a continental qualifier can only qualify NOCs from that continent. If that is the case, there are 4 more spots available to the US. Here are the relevant links, maybe I'm reading it wrong: http://www.sailing.org/news/37382.phphttp://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/201402Rio2016QualificationSystemFINALSailingEN-[16399].pdf
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Ah... I see that you are right...
Wow!!!... that means that somebody from North America has to finish what... top 15 at the next worlds or it would come down to the US vs Canada vs Puerto Rico at the 2016 OCR.
How does this not turn into a judging nightmare with charges of team racing the other countries just enough to get the spot.
hmm... (well.... it won't be the first time that USA catamarans have the...." you are team racing" protest battle.)
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Posts: 554 Boston, Ma | Countries that have qualified: 1 FRA , 2 ARG , 3 AUS ,4 ITA, 5 NZL, 6 SUI, 7 GBR, 8 DEN, 9 AUT, 10 NED
Notable countries not on that list: USA, CAN, ARU, BRA, SIN, SWE, ESP, GER, PUR, RUS, URU
The Continental qualifier should be (that have active teams): USA, ARU, CAN, PUR
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Posts: 554 Boston, Ma | Also interesting what happens if there is not a team from a continent (Africa?)
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Where do they put the arab gulf states...... they are spending big bucks supporting sailing?
You have to think south africa will find a team to play... They have strong hobie 16 history and Dart 18 history in the past... Why not... and doesn't Hobie have a central african country with a fleet of Hobie 16s.... The whole point of this system was to get those countries to put in a team... (god only knows how much it costs to send a team... but still).
They do have a mechanism to reallocate... so I suspect that they go back to the results of the N17 worlds and take the next ranked country as qualified.... (so a 4th slot plus [1 continental]would open up)
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | Not sure that anyone spends the time and effort to get to the Olympics "just for the experience."
Mike funny, my coach once asked something very similar... "you've spent 14 years of your life training to be a spectator?"
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Mike
My point... there is honor in representing your country ... that is unique...... and winning a medal... priceless. We honor and respect all of the sailors working that hard to represent the US... winning something is icing....
China had sailors who had never raced catamarans before and they represented their country at the last multihull event.... better still... they beat the USA.
There is no backdoor... just opportunities that are now global. Its like being allowed to buy a lottery ticket.... no play... no shot. To your point about skill.... This is why some argue that it is tougher to win a Worlds then a Medal..
Somehow.... we remember medal winners more so then the world champ top finishes.
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Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine | This is why some argue that it is tougher to win a Worlds then a Medal.. Maybe once you get there, but go ahead and ask JC that question right about now. He's been working his manparts off to get where he is. His whole life is centered around his effort to get to the Olympics to represent his country. He even moved him and his wife to Miami just so he could be a couple hours closer to his training center. Its an incredible amount of work to try and do what these guys are doing. | | |
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