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Re: AC62 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #278120
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Interesting perspective offered from this interview with Coutts. The only thing that was not expected was the outstanding performance from the modified foiling AC45 turbos. Not sure that matters anyway. The deal was done last summer.

The teams will be asked to vote on rule changes to the boat before the end of March, with only a majority vote required to make the change.

Coutt's interview

"It is notable that if we look back a few months, when the Luna Rossa team became Challenger of Record, they sought to change the process because they viewed it was wrong, and that decisions needed more of a consensus view. Therefore the process was changed to reflect this. The Protocol was changed such that the Challenger of Record does not have veto power, and that they would go along with the majority of votes among the challengers. So that’s what they did a few months ago, but now they seem to be saying that they only want consensus if they agree with it."


more on it here.
sail a smaller boat

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Re: AC72 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #278139
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Check out that bow on the testbed 45 by Artemis. Sailing in SF Bay.
More volume or my imagination?
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Re: AC62 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #278143
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Re: AC62 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #278186
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Teams have agreed to make changes

"Central to these changes is the introduction of an exciting new America’s Cup Class - a wing-sailed, foiling catamaran between 45 and 50 feet.

A majority of the teams has also now indicated a preference that all of the racing in 2017 be conducted at a single venue, Bermuda. The America’s Cup Event Authority will consider this in nominating a venue for the America’s Cup Qualifiers."

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Emirates Team New Zealand continue to fight for Auckland

“Emirates Team New Zealand have filed an application to the America’s Cup Arbitration Panel in the belief that ACEA has breached their signed agreement and protocol obligations by discarding Auckland.”

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Gladwell's take

"Rules experts spoken to by Sail-World today doubted whether the Protocol could legally be changed in the way announced for the 35th America's Cup. No members have been announced of the Arbitration body established under the Protocol which has been in existence since June 2014. The matter is not expected to be heard quickly, if it goes to a Hearing.

Any aggrieved teams have the option of resort to the New York Supreme Court, on matters relating to the Deed of Gift where the Challenger of Record, Luna Rossa has the strongest case to be heard. The other options for disaffected teams would be to withdraw from the regatta, or get on with the revised event.

Auckland would appear to be set to lose the Qualifier given that the majority of the teams had voted for a single venue. A final announcement on that is expected later."

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What a mess. The lead up to this race is such a **** fest.

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Originally Posted by Jake
What a mess. The lead up to this race is such a **** fest.

Just this one? wink

Could the difference in cost between a 50ft and 62ft cat really be that significant?
The 45s are cool but they are just not as impressive as a 62 footer.
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I think the hardware costs would only be slightly lower.

It's the payroll which would be affected the most... And I'd venture that payroll is the largest expense overall for the team

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Originally Posted by Tony_F18
Originally Posted by Jake
What a mess. The lead up to this race is such a **** fest.

Just this one? wink

Could the difference in cost between a 50ft and 62ft cat really be that significant?
The 45s are cool but they are just not as impressive as a 62 footer.


"this race" was intended to be a general, all encompassing, reference to the America's Cup past, present, and future.

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New class rule

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If the world series is on foiling 45' boats, it seems like the jump to the 50' will be rather boring. Unlike when the AC72s came out. I hope I am wrong.

Re: AC48 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #278204
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Did not see this coming, or at least never thought they would go through with it...

http://luna-rossa-challenge.america...TS-WITHDRAWAL-FROM-THE-35th-AMERICAS-CUP
From Luna Rossa's Facebook:
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The result of the vote proposed by the Event Authority with the agreement of the Defender of the 35th America’s Cup has overturned, with a majority vote, the America’s Cup Class Rule for the boat with which this edition will be held; this happened notwithstanding the fact that such rule had been previously adopted unanimously by the teams and was in force since June 2014.
Following a careful evaluation of the serious implications of this unprecedented initiative, Team Luna Rossa confirms that it will withdraw from the 35th America’s Cup.
Patrizio Bertelli declared: "I want to thank the whole team for its hard work during this past year; regretfully this effort has been frustrated by this manoeuvre that is unprecedented in the history of the America’s Cup. However, in sports, as in life, one cannot always go for compromise, after compromise, after compromise; sometimes it is necessary to make decisions that are painful but must be clear cut, as only these can make everybody aware of the drifts of the system and therefore set the basis for the future: respect of legality and sportsmanship”.

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Re: AC48 Oracle Team USA Spaceship has landed [Re: P.M.] #278212
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What a joke. Bet the Luna Rossa legal team is already drafting the complaint in New York.

It was Luna Rossa as the COR who petitioned for rule changes to be a majority by vote. Well, they got it. Be careful what you wish for. Hind sight is 20/20.

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Kind of ironic that the opening event of the ACWS this June is in . . .
Cagliari

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Your avatar is probably how the sailors who left Oracle for LR feel like right now...
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Originally Posted by Tony_F18
Your avatar is probably how the sailors who left Oracle for LR feel like right now...


Ooof. Ouch.

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I'm kind of confused... this whole change to the class rule was to sweeten the pot for some teams that are sitting on the fence - thinking about getting into the event but are scared of the costs. The only serious one being a French entry.

So we got an AC48 class rule, that really wont be any different substantively than the AC45 - which isn't a cheap boat to campaign either. Certainly its less than the 72, but is it much different than the 62 in a meaningful quantity?

So we lost LR, who had at least a serious challenger pedigree - only to maybe get the entry of a French team whose challenger credentials are spotty at best. Not to mention the spotty position of ETNZ with regards to their funding and their evident displeasure with this change.

I just don't see the point of doing this. The AC48 isn't going to be nearly as spectacular to watch as the 72's or even the 62's would have been.

I'm pretty let down by this whole set of events.
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