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Posts: 3,355 Key Largo, FL and Put-in-Bay, ... | Best bet is with vacation-hotline.com contact info is Laura@vacation-hotline.comor 1-866-225-8012 Here is the deal she has offered under Quote #498 018 626: thank you so much for your call in regard of Club Med Turquoise for the month of October. Club Med is an all inclusive resort, all meals, drinks, non motorized water sports, entertainment and tips are all included in the price. All prices listed include tax, transfers from the airport to the resort (if airfare is purchased thorough us), membership fees in the couples renovated room, which is the best room category at the resort. - Price for 7 night stay with airfare from Miami is $1179.50 per person based on 2 people per room. - Price for 7 night stay for the resort only is $723.00 per person based on 2 people per room. - Price for 6 night stay with airfare from Miami is $1084.50 per person based on 2 people per room. - Price for 6 night stay for the resort only is $628.00 per person based on 2 people per room. After considerable research, this is the best deal out there. Rick
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Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 894 Branford, CT rhodysail
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Posts: 894 Branford, CT | Below is just an FYI so don't shoot the messenger. If this up coming Wave Worlds is not sanctioned by ISAF and you compete in the event you could forfeit your eligibility for competing in future Worlds that are recognized by ISAF. I doubt anyone is enforcing this rule but for those who don't know about it here is some pertinent info. Don't shoot the messenger. 18. ISAF AND OTHER EVENTS ISAF approval of World Championships and other Events 18.1 ISAF approval is required for any event that is described as a World Championship, uses the word; in the title of the event, or any of the promoters, organizers or any other organization officially connected with the event, represents or holds out in any way that the event is a World Championship or does the foregoing in such a way that the event is reasonably perceived to be a World Championship. ISAF Classes (International and Recognized) 18.2 Each ISAF Class is automatically granted the right, subject to the notification requirements of Regulation 18.10, to hold one annual World Championship. Note: This right and the rights under 18.3 and 18.3.1 are subject to compliance with Regulation 2.35. Suspension of ISAF Eligibility 19.4 After proper inquiry by either the national authority of the competitor or the ISAF Executive Committee, a competitor's ISAF eligibility shall be promptly suspended with immediate effect, permanently or for a specified period of time (a) for any suspension of eligibility in accordance with RRS 69.2; or (b) for breaking RRS 5; or (c) for competing, within the two years preceding the inquiry, in an event that the competitor knew or should have known was a prohibited event. 19.4.1 A prohibited event is an event: (a) permitting or requiring advertising beyond that permitted by the ISAF Advertising Code; (b) with prizes or other benefits referred to in Regulation 18.16.1 that is a national event not approved by the national authority of the venue or an international event not approved by the ISAF; (c) that is described as a world championship or uses the word "world", either in the title of the event or otherwise, and that is not approved by the ISAF; or (d) that does not conform to the requirements of RRS 87, and is not otherwise approved by the ISAF. Link to ISAF Regulations http://www.sailing.org/page.asp?PageID=j/7Fh`uq&MenuID=d1q0GX28zoNPPf6xvTv~`KY1RDK
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | This only applies to "ISAF Classes" and I'm pretty sure that the Hobie Wave is NOT an approved ISAF Class...so there. This rule keeps someone from holding an "F18 World Championship" that's not official (F18 is an ISAF class).
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Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 894 Branford, CT rhodysail
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Posts: 894 Branford, CT | Rick I believe ISAF does have a certain legal jurisdiction over the word when it comes to sailing events. You should probably at least talk to ISAF about it and make sure that the sailors in your regatta are protected.
Jake Read the rule. I'm fairly certain that this applies to ALL sailing events.
There was lots of talk about this years ago and I don't remember all the details. You should at the very least seriously look into this issue. It would be a major bummer if someone ended up being banned from an event. This probably will not happen but better safe than sorry. I don't think you will get very far pleading ignorance on this one.
At any rate it sounds like you've got a fun event lined up no mater what you call it.
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I read it again and I also looked at the formated PDF version at ( http://www.sailing.org/regulations/2004_partIV.PDF). There's no way in the world (whoops, I'm in trouble) they can claim to preside over a sailing class for which they don't even acknowledge and that is not a member. The wording could be a little clearer and while it may seem to indicate that it applies to all sailing, notice that NO limitations are in place in that rule. If you interpret the rule as you indicate then American baseball would need to gain approval before holding their World Championship since the rule is not specifically limited to sailing in the same way that it is not specifically limited to ISAF events. I say a more sensible interpretation is that this rule only applies to international classes recognized and governed by the ISAF. The ISAF does not own everything of sailing and it can't enforce rules for events not within it's domain any more than the U.S. State of Georgia can enforce one of it's laws in South Carolina. Or has the world gone mad? (whoops, there I go again! ).
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Alright, alright. I'm nipping this crap right now.
Hear ye, hear ye - the Regatta Formerly Known as the "Wave Worlds," scheduled October 8 through 11, 2004, at the Club Med Tukoise on the island Providenciales in the Turks and Caicos Archipelago, shall now and forevermore be known officially as the "Wave Intergalactic Championship." All documentation is being modified where possible. A letter has been drafted to Mr. Henderson and to Ms. Baxter and we are assured that NO SANCTIONS will be pursued for ANYONE for competing in the event, officiating at the event, organizing the event, thinking about the event, etc., etc. This is Rick's decision.
As the Area Rep I got pulled into this, and let me say I'm disappointed in the extreme to learn that a not-so-anoymous "whistle blower" decided that this particular event needed to be stepped on. That's not the Hobie Way, is it?
Man... I just don't know sometimes...
John Williams
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | I am not speaking of you, Bob. I have no doubt that you made your post with the best of intentions.
Hear that, folks - I'm not talking about Bob Merrick and I did not mean to imply I was.
To be clear, an anonymous "whistle blower" contacted ISAF specifically about this event, prompting Paul to contact Janet, prompting Janet to contact Rick.
ps - I like that worn "narking."
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Geesh...what is this sport coming to?
However, John, I really like the Intergalactic Championship idea. Perhaps a Star Trek emblem on my sail and a costume for the awards cermony would be in order (now I REALLY wish I were going!).
But seriously though, does the ISAF intend that NO sailing class can have a worlds unless it is approved by ISAF!?? That sounds ridiculous.
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe Wouter
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | I don't think the guys here understand the construction
No, ISAF can't fine or persue any sailors attenting a wild Worlds directly. What they can and may do is ban all competitors to future ISAF events (for I think 2 years).
Think of it guys. All hobie classes are ISAF events, so too F18 events and even A-cat events. And no matter how you think about the ISAF (I personally would like to see them stuffed) the ISAF has significant influence in about 85 % of the cat sailing events world wide.
In case of Ricks. If you piss ISAF off properly than you may forget about hosting a US F18 nationals in the future. Or even A-cats or Hobie 16's or nacra 20's. And there is nothing you can do about that as well. This is their stick and definately sailors intending to sail is ISAF classes in the future as sensitive to this mafia like practice. Sailors only intending to sails waves in the future can savely ignore the ISAF all together.
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | That's correct - according to the ISAF regs, as Bob pointed out, NO class can use the word "World" for their event without the permission of ISAF. That's something that ISAF carefully guards. There are a variety of ways to get that permission, from becoming an ISAF-recognized class to simply asking permission as a Class Association. Under advice from Janet Baxter, President of US SAILING, the most expedient way to short circuit any efforts to have sailors or officials penalized for being involved with the event was to change the name. It's done.
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After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | OHHHhhh. I see now. They have no intention or ability to inforce ownership over the word "World". However, they'll keep any sailor (who is a member of ISAF) from participating in any ISAF sanctioned "Worlds" event if they particpated any anyone elses' in the last two years. Although it's worded such that the word "worlds" is protected, it can't be possible for them to really keep other organizations from saying they're the XXX class "worlds"...BUT they can penalize their own sailors if they participate. As a matter of conversation, is that legal? What legal system does ISAF work under?
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