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#46420 03/30/05 01:40 PM 03/30/05 01:40 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | It sails like a uni.... how's that?
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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#46421 03/30/05 01:53 PM 03/30/05 01:53 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | It tacks much worse than a uni without the jib. The jib is small but it makes an incredible difference when it comes to tacking. This comparison comes from having raced a Hobie 17 a couple of times.
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#46423 03/30/05 02:13 PM 03/30/05 02:13 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Pretty much no difference. Besides in the conditions they are experiencing in SB you need the jib to tack (as Jake indicated).
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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#46424 03/30/05 02:19 PM 03/30/05 02:19 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Okay, if today and tomorrow get blown out, what happens?
Can a world championship be decided with just one race?
Ding
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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#46426 03/30/05 03:29 PM 03/30/05 03:29 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Yes, world class sailors would be able to tack without a jib, I never ment to imply that they couldn't. In my opionion with the condtions at worlds it's easier to tack with the jib than without it. I'd much rather make it through the tack on the first attempt rather than having to back up, wouldn't you?
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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#46427 03/30/05 03:45 PM 03/30/05 03:45 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | With 30k gusts, the thought of having to change direction would make me nervous too. Not so much from a skill standpoint but because there is very limited ability to respond to those kind of gusts and shifts when the boat is not moving forward in the water. Throw in some big waves and moving backwards just to get through a tack turns into a riskier maneuver than dealing with the exta power from the jib. IMHO you're pretty vulnerable when trying to back into a tack when it's nukin'.
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#46428 03/30/05 04:20 PM 03/30/05 04:20 PM |
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,253 Columbia South Carolina, USA dave mosley
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Posts: 1,253 Columbia South Carolina, USA | Gybing would be worse in those conditions. As Yveginy Bartomov once said, "when it was blowin 30, we just did a coward gybe". He was referring to a tack. David Mosley www.teamseacats.com
The men were amazed, and said, "What kind of a man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?" Matthew 8:27
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#46432 03/31/05 08:36 AM 03/31/05 08:36 AM |
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Posts: 138 | If my memory is correct, only one F18 boat has sailed the W1000: Team Netherlands, Hobie Tiger, 1999? They used the jib. and the boat ended up in pieces!! | | | Re: Tiger Worlds Website
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#46433 03/31/05 09:27 AM 03/31/05 09:27 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | If my memory is correct, only one F18 boat has sailed the W1000: Team Netherlands, Hobie Tiger, 1999? They used the jib. and the boat ended up in pieces!! What is your point here?
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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#46434 03/31/05 10:59 AM 03/31/05 10:59 AM |
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 206 Virginia USA CMerrell
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Posts: 206 Virginia USA | If my memory is correct, only one F18 boat has sailed the W1000: Team Netherlands, Hobie Tiger, 1999? They used the jib. and the boat ended up in pieces!! I recall they broke the mast coming into the demolition derby that was the Hatteras checkpoint that year. They had no spare mast and had to retire. This was at a point in time before HC USA began importing the Tiger from Europe. BTW I think the correct team name was Team Holland and the spin was launched from a tramp bag (pre-snuffer). | | | Re: Tiger Worlds Website
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#46436 03/31/05 11:59 AM 03/31/05 11:59 AM |
Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland Dermot
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Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland | That was Gerard Loos and if I remember correctly, the were trying to get out through the Surf at the start of a leg - the bows reared up and they rolled over, breaking the mast. I remember watching it live that year - they had the web cam which updated every 30 secs or so. I think that it was before 1999. Gerard Loos did sail a Hawk on the European circuit and was paid by Laser. He then went to work for Hobie to promote the new Tiger. I am not sure which cat he had for that race.
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