| NAHCA and the Open Catamaran Clubs: What Happened? #46603 04/01/05 07:57 PM 04/01/05 07:57 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD Mark Schneider OP
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Perhaps it’s only me, but the pink elephant of the 2005 sailing season, the infamous hobie edict, deserves some discussion on April Fools Day. The 2005 sailing season is getting underway and I think it’s appropriate to assess the outcome of the political changes initiated by the IHCA and NAHCA with respect to catamaran racing opportunities for all sailors.
It appears that all of the Hobie fleets and Regional cat sailing clubs from the Gulf Coast, Florida and up the east coast through Maryland have chosen to host open catamaran events while offering one design Hobie classes when appropriate. One new regional organization, The Eastern Multihull Sailing Association; EMSA was created to organize the racing season on the lower eastern seaboard. The Hobie fleets of Delaware and New Jersey area which form the core of Hobie Division 11 choose to restrict their events to Hobie only boats. The very successful, Sandy Hook Catamaran Club on the northern edge of Division 11 will host both Open and Hobie only events this year in serving their membership. The good news is that the impact on the catamaran sailors in these regions has been negligible because there are very few non hobie racing sailors in the New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania region. The Hobie fleets focus on Division 11 Hobie racing serves the Hobie 16, 17 and 18 fleets. The A class fleets are located at a few clubs and are self sufficient hosting small regattas. One club, Chesapeake Hobie Fleet 54 is on the border and they are holding their breath with respect to turnout for their popular Gunpowder Open Regatta in May. Sailors with Hobie 20’s and Tigers are faced with 2 boat or fewer turnouts at the Hobie division events without the presence of an open class to play with.
Proceeding north up through New England presents a slightly different story. Another new regional sailing association was created to coordinate and schedule racing in New England, The New England Catamaran Sailing Association or NECSA joins the Long Island Catamaran Association (LICSA) to coordinate the regional sailing scene. It appears that clever scheduling has allowed different clubs to host two Hobie only racing weekends while the non Hobie fleets compete at different regatta locations on those same weekends without conflicting. It would appear that sailors won’t loose any sailing opportunities due to the policy changes… (just a smaller party) and on the plus side they can train lots of RC personnel.
Proceeding westward, upstate New York and Ontario maintain a Hobie only regatta focus. Open catamaran clubs don’t seem to have organized in this region and regattas such as the Unlimited Regatta at Kingston may be looking for support from all sailors. Non Hobie sailors will miss out since the Rochester Open regatta changed course and opted to be Hobie only this year.
The Michigan and Wisconsin regions are very well organized due to the efforts of Rrgional sailing organizations Catamaran Racing Association of Michigan or CRAM and the Catamaran Racing Association of Wisconsin or CRAW. These clubs host open events and support one design fleets when possible. Two events appear to be off limits to non Hobies in the region, however a robust high quality active schedule is available for all of the region’s cat sailors. Continuing southward finds the Ohio Catamaran Racing association or OCRA which also supports open racing events.
So, the sailing scene east of the Mississippi River has been negatively impacted by the Hobie initiative. However, I don’t have any sense of the magnitude of the impact on catamaran racers in the upstate New York region. For the most part, the changes have all occurred on paper as clubs and regions have created new documentation for name changes, bank accounts and insurance purposes. Time will tell if the impact is truly negligible.
Respectfully
Mark Schneider
With the price of gas hitting all time highs… many sailors may just stay local this year. Sigh...
Not sure what has transpired west of the river… Anyone?
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#46604 04/04/05 10:20 PM 04/04/05 10:20 PM |
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Posts: 217 | As concerns South TX & Louisiana, "Division 6", there is interesting dialog between a member & several NAHCA officers posted at : http://maillist.ellinger.org/~catamaranws/~austin/The thread is called "Response to HCA Membership Solicitation".
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#46607 04/05/05 09:13 AM 04/05/05 09:13 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | In a year or two we could see the demise again of exclusive one-design events.. If that were to take place you might as well pack it in. Racing straight up will ALWAYS be the goal of racing sailors. Look at the F18 class. This class is a HUGE compromise, and is one of the main reasons it is popular! Handicap racing is NOT the future of our sport! I support Hobie Corps desire to preserve and promote One-Design racing I just don't support their methods. David Ingram
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Unregistered | Dave, the way I interpret the comment from DYSC is that we may see the demise of Hobie one design racing (SMOD). I don't think this necessarily applies to straight-up racing in general, such as F18.
So I don't think we need conclude that the health of catamaran sailing in general is going to be deterrmined by the Hobie strategy (if that was your concern).
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Posts: 248 Colorado | The changes have had little effect in Div. 5 (Mountain States). In fact, Fleet 61 in Denver has grown by five or six members in the last few months. We had about 100 people at our spring party, and we get 35 to 45 boats at our two biggest regattas. According to Colorado State registration records, there are at least 900 Hobie owners in Colorado.
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Posts: 1,037 Central California | Definite negative effect in Northern California...
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#46615 04/06/05 04:35 AM 04/06/05 04:35 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Definite negative effect in Northern California... Really? I got the impression that besides a few minor instances, that the racing would remain Hobie up that'er way.
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | Wyatt, Just out of curiosity, how do you deal with it if you have Hobies show up that do not have enough for a one-design class: Like if you get a Hobie 18, an 18SX, an 18 Magnum, a Hobie 17 and a Hobie 14, and maybe a 21 and maybe a Wave? | | | Re: NAHCA and the Open Catamaran Clubs: What Happe
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | Wyatt, Part of the reason I asked is that I heard a rumor that one of the divisions up in that area (I don't know whether it was yours) plans to not actively discourage participation but also not to actively encourage it for Hobies that do not have enough boats for a one-design fleet.
If that is true, I think that is a very unfortunate attitude designed to hasten the demise of the smaller classes under the Hobie umbrella -- and also reduce the number of Hobie sailors in general.
I have been saying for years that there should be individual class associations for the various Hobie classes under the overall umbrella of the Hobie Class Association, so each class can have people working on building their own class of boat, both nationally and locally, and getting more attendance at regattas so they CAN get enough boats for one-design fleets.
But lacking that, I think that at the very least ALL Hobies of whatever type (even if they have a boat that is not being built any more) should feel welcome to attend any Hobie regatta and know that they will be able to race somehow. If the people with dead or dying classes feel welcome to come to regattas, they will either work harder to get more of their kind to come, too, OR they may decide to give up on their class and buy one of the boats that do have active racing fleets. Either way, at least you will still be welcoming them and keeping them on the water.
As it is, since the Hobie Class has said it will not allow an open class, it makes it sound like they will not allow an open class, period, even if it is for Hobies. Perhaps that should be clarified so Hobies without enough for a fleet will not stay home. | | | Re: NAHCA and the Open Catamaran Clubs: What Happe
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Dave, the way I interpret the comment from DYSC is that we may see the demise of Hobie one design racing (SMOD). I don't think this necessarily applies to straight-up racing in general, such as F18.
So I don't think we need conclude that the health of catamaran sailing in general is going to be deterrmined by the Hobie strategy (if that was your concern).
Mark. Mark, You very well may be correct and I may have read DSYC's post wrong, but I do know several sailors that truely believe open/handicap sailing is better than OD or Formula. We just had a heated debate on another forum about OD/Formula vs. open. There has also been serveral threads here dedicated to the subject. Dave
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#46621 04/06/05 08:11 AM 04/06/05 08:11 AM |
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Wyatt
The Rochester regatta was an open regatta and the years I attended had 20+ boats in the open class. (Great event!) What happened to them or will happen to them in your region?
Mark
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