Oh lord no! There's not an F18 out there that is rigged identically!

Robi, it looks to me like the set-up in the Murrays catalog that was referred to is also adjustable in the way you are wanting, but also provides the upward tension that several people have described.

My boat has the arrangement that you are describing, but after reviewing the posts here, I can see the advantages of having the bungy attached to the top of the ring rather than the bottom, and think I need to make some modifications.

I don't have a lot of trapezing experience, but I don't find it real easy to get in and out of the trapeze with my current arrangement.

Mark.

Mary had some good advice up top too. here are my rules for rigging changes:

1) Even if the changes you are planning are proven on other boats NEVER, EVER, make more than 2 rigging changes between sailing sessions.

2) if you are trying something that is unproven (if #3 doesn't apply), NEVER, EVER make more than 1 rigging change between sailing sessions.

3) look at other boats - if you like the way something looks, talk to the owner how to make sure they are happy with it before you steal the idea.

4) whenever possible, temporarily mount things to prove out the positions using line or other mounting points to avoid drilling extra holes....I hate extra holes or having to remake rigging that I messed up.

5) Bounce ideas off your crew whenever possible. It helps them feel like you care (even if you don't)

6) Crew the boat occasionally to see what hell you have unleashed on that person by the latest change.

These rules have done me pretty well on the F18 and although we've been tweaking the boat for 6 months, we've got some pretty fancy yet simple and streamlined rigging, are almost rigged how we like it, and haven't had to undo anything we've added.

I havent read the entire post so escuse me if someone has already said this.
In wouters diagram it looks as if the port and starboard bungees are connected. I would advise against connecting any of the bungees to each other. If one breaks, then 2 are free to get all tangled up. Double your bungee(run bungee to other side of the hull and back) this will give you plenty of slack to go around the forestay if that happens in a pitchpole, but will also allow you to keep tension on the trap handle.

David
www.teamseacats.com

Dave that is an awesome idea. I did it on the H16 and I plan on doing it on the F16. Once I get my adjustment setup done and built I will go to individual bungi cords.

I plan on running back and forth like Wouters design, but individually from one another.

Dude - can't wait to see that boat on the water again... I like the way Matt thinks.

I have to agree with what folks are saying about the bungee pulling up on the ring. The adjustable idea has its applications, and I'm sure you'll work out something that fits your need. I've sailed with both, but when setting up a 2005 Tiger (which comes stock with the adjustable system for the crew's trap) I took it off. With the handle rings, there are two places to hook in if I need to get my butt out of big waves, and I grab the skipper's trap if I'm on the wire downwind.

You're basic point, though, is the most valid one - set it up for what you prefer most. Tinkering is fun. Walking around the beach at Worlds gave me the opportunity to see how people from around the world rig stuff - Peter Dubbelaar (crewing for Steve Fields of Hobie Australia) was particularly helpful in pointing out some simple things that the Aussies do to clean up the tramp, eliminate sharp edges, etc... wish I'd had a camera handy.

Post a pic of whatever you work out.

John, I took a load of pictures of their rigging on Tuesday when the sailing was cancelled. I'll post a few tonight.

Chris.

Excellent! Where should we look? I particularly noted wide variations in cunningham (main and jib) set ups and self-tackers. Liked the internal stuff that came out of the beams...

Good thinking - glad someone had their wits about them... I only remember Don Q....

You think I don't read this Jake?!?! LOL

Too funny Chris! See you this weekend!

David

Oh Crap!

OH HO! someone got caught red handed?

you guys don't EVEN want to see the trap rig on my ARC. I can get launched (liked I usuallt do) up to 50 yards and still not snap the bungi. I use the no cut, non adjustable style with a classic dogbone. You can use either enclosed area which gives you about 4" dif.

Plus it weighs less and has fewer things to break and drop you into the water.

I have been thinking about a similiar system for the ball and socket system

Carl,
For the ball-and-socket system, though, you only have the option of one level, right? As opposed to two options using a dogbone. (I've never used the ball-and-socket, so I don't know.)

Jake, You broke the code! You must pay penitence to fellow skips.

I don't know about "Penitence" (That's the third time I had to pull out a dictionary today) but I do give credit where credit is due. notice on the picture here "WWDLD". When three of us bought brand new F18's we kept thinking about what our local rigging expert would do....David Lennard. So we pay homage by having "What Would David Lennard Do" on our boats!

AS USUAL weezy, you are proving that your arrogance is only mached by your inexperience.

I DID NOT SAY "never work".
I said "does NOT work properly" and CANNOT work properly".
Don't you understand the difference?
We all realize that you will stoop to anything to win an argument,
but it is very stupid of you to misquote someone in the same thread.
You can always use your lack of understanding the english language as an excuse.

I guess what is "good enough" for you just isn't good enough for the rest of us.
The ring is "adjusted properly" when it is at the PROPER trapezing height, not storage height.

Nobody with any experience, adjusts trap lines EVERYTIME they go out and back in.
How ridiculous!!
The idea of the bungi is to prevent that.

Even one of your AUS f16 sailors provided proof that your system CAN disconnect itself before you move out on the trap.
His trapeze harness even had the retaining clip and it still failed.

Jesus SAM! Chillax dude.

Robi,
You have become a clone of the dutch doofus.
Misquoting me just to try to justify your statements.
I DID NOT SAY "will not work"".
I said "does NOT work properly." and "CANNOT work properly".
The key word is "PROPERLY".
Is english not your native language?

Why did you say "someone using it just fine" when two hours before you made that statement the person in question
clearly stated, on the f16 forum, that the bungi HAD PULLED THE DOGBONE OFF SEVERAL TIMES exactly as I had warned?
He even mentioned looking up a post about a system which puts tension on the hook.
Obviously, he wants to change his.

I am not "confused with the drawing."
As a Civil Engineer, I have created and interpreted drawings for 25 years.
You may have drawn it wrong, but I did not read it wrong.
Except for the bungi cord, your "design" is very old and very common.

Let's check the count.
1 vote for your exact system (wooznik)
11 votes against it (including Worrell 1000, Tybee 500, Tornado, and other experienced sailors)

But you people seem to want to listen to a person who has very little racing experience.

Are you still so confident?