So I guess my idea of putting PLU (Pluto) on my sail is really out of the question?!?


Actually, I have two sails right now. Both have USA but different numbers. Since racing teams have several sails, why not just label each with whatever country applies, and use them when appropriate?

Robi, I think you'll find that Wouter is only referring to numbers CURRENTLY ISSUED. There are only 7 Blades at present. Of course there will be more.... It's such a good looker I fully expect Blades to be up at 799 and causing Wouter registration problems in no time at all!

Before you point out that it won't cause you any problems Wouter, it was meant as a 'throw away' comment!

Wouter, maybe you know the answer to this. I have never really been sure whether the sail number goes to the sailor or to the boat. If I have an F16 number approved by the F16 class, and if I sell the boat, does that number stay with the boat, or does it stay with me?

I would think it would stay with me, but in that case, do I strip the number off the sails when I sell the boat so the new owner can join the class and get their own number assigned?

I think usually the number stays with the boat, since often the number reflects the date of initial registration and someone selling a boat of a given class would often be moving to a different class, so would have no reason to take the number.

Mark.

Mark,
That is usually the case with a one-design class. Heck, the Shark Catamaran that my family bought in 1962, the second one in the United States, was #50. And that number is still with that boat and on its sail and we know its history from its travels around the United States, and we know where it is now and who owns it. And that's the way it should be.

But in the case of a formula class (which is why I thought this discussion would be better on a formula forum), the number that was assigned by the manufacturer may not be the same as the one that is assigned by the Formula Class Association.

So does the sail number originally assigned by the factory stay with the boat forever but the formula sail number belong to the Formula Class member that applied for that number? If I sell my old Formula 16 boat and buy a new Formula 16 boat, do I get to keep my same number? I mean on the Formula 16 class list my name is listed with that number. Does all that have to be changed if I sell my boat and buy a new one? But you can't have two boats with the same number, right? SO.......

I just don't know how all this works in a formula class. Like I said, maybe the Formula 18 class has it all figured out.

On a football team if you have a number on your shirt, you keep that number even if you get a new shirt; right?

Hi Mary

For the Tornado Class, Greg Scace tells me that officially the number is assigned to the boat and should transfer with the boat. However, the recent trend has been for the the sailor to keep their number when they sell and replace their boat with another T. So... Johnny, Lars and Robbie have had the same sail number for 12 years even though they have had several boats over the years. It's a lot of effort to keep track of boats, measurment certificates etc etc. The T Class is supposed to build a database of measurment certificates for each boat on line but it is taking some time to implement and its not clear if the club sailors will join in and get measured and registered.

It's a lot of work.

Take Care
Mark

Actually in the setup we have now both modes are possible and the seller decides which one it will be. So he or she can decide to keep the number or give it away with the boat and apply for a new number with the new boat (if it is an F16 again). The F16 class allows freedom in this respect. Some sub classes like the Taipan link sailnumbers to boatnumbers and force that the sailnumber change hands when the boat is sold. Other sub classes don't enforce this.

These two possible paths do not conflict with one-another and can fully coexist.

Wouter

Wouter,
These and other questions about sail numbers and/or country codes will continue to recur, while this thread disappears into the mist, so maybe it would be good to have a policy spelled out on the F16 web site.

I agree; I'm planning to have a section dealing with these on the new website.

Wouter