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#48854 05/12/05 11:27 AM 05/12/05 11:27 AM |
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... Mary OP
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | Well, my lunch report is late because when Rick called from lunch, he didn't tell me he was at lunch. Anyway, at about 11:45 the leading boats were Tybee, Pirates, Sailmax I and Coconut Grove Sails, not necessarily in that order, because they were closely grouped and swapping places a lot.
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[Re: Mary]
#48855 05/12/05 11:43 AM 05/12/05 11:43 AM |
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | Just got a shore report from Kirk Newkirk, five miles south of St. Augustine Beach. Pirates is in the lead, all alone. About 2 minutes behind are Coconut Grove Sails, Tybee and Sailmax I, in a very tight group. And 3 minutes behind them is Sailmax II. Another 3 minutes back is Key Sailing, and Velocity is about 2 minutes behind them. The last three are Windy Hill, Spacecoast and Morada, in that order.
All have dropped their spinnakers because the wind has picked up a little too much to carry them. They are jib-reaching. | | | Re: Tybee 500 Hotline
[Re: Nieuwkerk]
#48857 05/12/05 12:52 PM 05/12/05 12:52 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Just curious - do those conditions favor the 6.0 with their larger jib? As a 6.0 owner, I'm hopeful that Morada stages a comeback!!! Yes, a broad to tight reach does favor the large jib sloops. As you saw from the first part of this race (to the rock and back) Morada did very well. I would expect them to start moving up now that the fleet has their spins put away. However, as the wind bends back to right as the day warms I'd expect the spins to go back up, and this will not favor the 6.0. Dave
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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#48858 05/12/05 03:39 PM 05/12/05 03:39 PM |
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | Boats are finished at Fernandina Beach. First is Coconut Grove Sails, by 7-8 minutes. Second is Pirates Third, Tybee Fourth, Sailmax I The fifth boat is landing right now, and four more within 10 minutes. One not accounted for, and that is probably Velocity. Morada beached somewhere because of some kind of breakdown, and their ground crew has gone to pick them up.
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[Re: Mary]
#48863 05/12/05 06:18 PM 05/12/05 06:18 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Kirk mentioned the same thing - they were in last when they stopped, so something was definitely wrong. Bonnie posted that they sheared of the rear beam bolts. That would certainly be a problem... Important thing was the news that they were in and OK. I expect they'll be back at it again next year.
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[Re: John Williams]
#48864 05/12/05 09:04 PM 05/12/05 09:04 PM |
Joined: May 2002 Posts: 3,114 BANNED MauganN20
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Posts: 3,114 BANNED | hey all, just got back from dinner... today was disappointing to say the least. We were doing well until catastrophe struck. As for updates to our website, check out www.velocitysailing.com/T500i've been posting some small blurbs everynight from my cellphone. | | | Re: Protest resolution...
[Re: John Williams]
#48865 05/13/05 08:28 AM 05/13/05 08:28 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Alright, now I'm baffled. I'm trying to remind myself that I'm a few hundred miles away and not second guess protest decisions, but... rescinding the 20-minute penalty?
I've been harping on the sportsmanship tip for a couple of years now - we compete and agree to be bound by, and enforce, the racing rules of sailing. If someone didn't sail the course and know they didn't sail the course... if it were me, I'd greatfully accept the minor 20-minute penalty as an alternative to what the rules require (a DNF) because I'd get to keep racing. Strictly speaking, a RAF would be a gentleman's only recourse, but I'm not sure I could bring myself to withdraw considering the effort and investment involved in the Tybee. A protest flag is immaterial if the competitors involved agreed that, by mistake or on purpose, they did not sail the proper course.
Hope that Chuck and Sean make an effort to further explain where they're coming from to reassure future participants that capricious or unpredictable race committee decisions won't tarnish an otherwise stellar competitive experience.
ps - Just double checked. No mention of protest flags required in the Nacra 20 class rules (Nov. 2000) posted on the class website.
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- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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[Re: tami]
#48868 05/13/05 09:01 AM 05/13/05 09:01 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Hey Tam-a-ram-a-ding-dong - Agreed - protest was filed, ruled on, then reversed without a request to reopen the hearing. Of course, I'm not there, so I want to say again that second guessing from home is risky behaviour. Reason given to reopen the hearing was a requirement in the class rules for a protest flag, which I can't find. Also agree we're expected to self-regulate. Great idea unless it isn't happening. Oh well - decision made and published. Best to leave it alone and let's turn our attention to the finish of an exciting race!
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- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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[Re: John Williams]
#48870 05/13/05 09:07 AM 05/13/05 09:07 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Alright, now I'm baffled. I'm trying to remind myself that I'm a few hundred miles away and not second guess protest decisions, but... rescinding the 20-minute penalty?
Hmmm.... Why have rules then aye!
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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[Re: John Williams]
#48871 05/13/05 09:13 AM 05/13/05 09:13 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Yeah, you're right again. It really is up the the competitors to take issue with the decision and not us.
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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