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Re: 2005 F-18 Worlds start (Netherlands) [Re: David Ingram] #52826
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The Tornado class, use to dial in a sailcut to the predominate wind and wave conditions, has this started in the F18's ?

Are there any differences in sailshape between the sailmakers? Such as some sailmakers prefer flater sails than others? Sailcloth? Vertical distribution of draft/location? Maybe the sailmakers have come to a point where they are all generally the same shape?

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The Tornado class, use to dial in a sailcut to the predominate wind and wave conditions, has this started in the F18's ?

Are there any differences in sailshape between the sailmakers? Such as some sailmakers prefer flater sails than others? Sailcloth? Vertical distribution of draft/location? Maybe the sailmakers have come to a point where they are all generally the same shape?


If that kind of work is going on it's probably being done at the pro level in Europe. The US is still playing catchup when it comes to the F18 class (In my opinion).

The the biggest change I've seen in sail shape is the new fat head main as opposed to the traditional square top. I haven't seen any paneled or molded sails in the F18 class yet.

I'm not all that plugged into what the sail makers or the pro teams are thinking so take the above opinion with a grain of salt.


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Re: 2005 F-18 Worlds start (Netherlands) [Re: David Ingram] #52828
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F18 sails are pretty restricted in materials (simliar to Tornado) and you are only allowed one set of sails per event.

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Re: 2005 F-18 Worlds start (Netherlands) [Re: Boomer] #52829
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Funny how the Dutch commentator complains about the absence of some Belgian participants (they preferred a local belgian race)...he seems to take it rather personal...But then again: Belgium-Holland IS personal!

Btw...does anyone know which overlapping race was taking place in Belgium?


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Re: 2005 F-18 Worlds start (Netherlands) [Re: Catius] #52830
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Jep,

Anton was talking about the European Championships Dart 18, that is being held in Belgium this week.
Don't think it's affected the F18 Worlds.
True, only 141 entries out of a possible 160.

Re: 2005 F-18 Worlds start (Netherlands) [Re: Boomer] #52831
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>>True, only 141 entries out of a possible 160

They could have filled all the slots if they wanted too as quite a few Dutch F18's were turned away as they did qualify. I guess some nations underused the quota that were given per nation.

Wouter



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Re: 2005 F-18 Worlds start (Netherlands) [Re: Wouter] #52832
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Why do Belgians have spaces in between there front teeth?

Re: 2005 F-18 Worlds start (Netherlands) [Re: BobG] #52833
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Why do Belgians have spaces in between there front teeth?


Wait a minute....weren't you the one complaining about our poor online spelling?

OK - why? (I've got a feeling I'm going to regret this)


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Why do Belgians have spaces in between there front teeth?


Wait a minute....weren't you the one complaining about our poor online spelling?

OK - why? (I've got a feeling I'm going to regret this)


DOH! Don't you just hate it when that happens.


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Re: 2005 F-18 Worlds start (Netherlands) [Re: BobG] #52835
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Why do Belgians have spaces in between there front teeth?


Spare chocolate storage?


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Re: 2005 F-18 Worlds start (Netherlands) [Re: Catius] #52836
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Why do Belgians have spaces in between there front teeth?


Spare chocolate storage?


No, think about the form of "patatten"

Re: 2005 F-18 Worlds start (Netherlands) [Re: Jake] #52837
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Spelling yes ,Grammer you can let it fly........The Answer: Thats where they keep the extra fries. Pataten Dat klopt.
And I don't think they drink Hieneken in Rotterdam. Its a Dommelsch kinda town.Like Iron City Beer is to Pittsburgh. How are the Mystere Twisters doing any corrosive decay ,Galvanic corrosion ?

The final results are in ... [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #52838
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http://www.f18worlds2005.com/results.php

1st Darren Bundock, Glenn Ashby
2nd Mitch Booth, Herbert Dercksen
3rd Helge and christian Sach

51st Alex Shafer, John Tomko



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Re: The final results are in ... [Re: Wouter] #52839
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Two Hobies and a Capricorn then, but more interesting, what does the tatto on the microphone guys hand say?

Re: The final results are in ... [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #52841
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Who were their sails made by?

Re: The final results are in ... [Re: sail7seas] #52842
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Darren Bundock and Glenn Ashby have successfully defended their Formula 18 World Championship.

Hobie Tiger takes first and second places at World Championship.


The 2005 Formula 18 World Championships were hosted by Hoek van Holland yacht club north of Rotterdam, Holland

160 Formula 18's competed from the period of 9-15 July for the prestigious World Tittle. The battle of the 10 different manufactors was clearly dominated by the Hobie Tiger taking the four of the first five overall placings.

Darren Bundock and Glenn Ashby got off to a fantastic start to the qualifying series winning five of the six qualifying heats and only discarding a 5th position to lead after the first two days.

Bundock and Ashby were able to finish within the top 10 for the remainder of the series except for one race in shifty ligth conditions which saw the pair finish 35th. However, due to there other consistant results they were able to discard this 35th position in the final series.

Bundock and Ashby went on to win the series with a score card of
5,1,1,1,1,1,6,2,35,1,5,11 to beat Mitch Booth and Herbert Derkson by 10 points.
The vetran Sach Brothers finished in 3rd position ahead of Jean Christoph Mourniac and Frank Cituea.

Bundock said "it is extremely pleasing to defend our tittle however the level of competition is increasing year by year.".

Bundock now heads to Greece to compete in a blind and disable charity Marathon on Tornado’s before The tornado Europeans in August.


World Championship list-
Bundock:
1998, 2001, 2002, 2003 Olympic Tornado World Champion
2002 ISAF Multihull World Champion
2005, 2004 Formula 18 World Champion

Ashby:
1996, 2002, 2004 A-Class World Champion
2005, 2004 Formula 18 World Champion

Further information call Darren Bundock on +49 177 603 8084.

www.darrenbundock.com

Sponsored by:
Marinepool, FSE Robline, Volvo Car, Ronstan, Hobie Cat.

Supported by:
Yachting Australia, Australian Institute of Sport, NSWIS, Australian Olympic Committee & Verein Segler Haus Wannsee.


Re: The final results are in ... [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #52843
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Huh? You win and they publish your phone number? What's up with that?


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Always the same .... [Re: Tornado_ALIVE] #52844
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Always the same, unbelievable how quickly rumours are created :

"The battle of the 10 different manufactors was clearly dominated by the Hobie Tiger taking the four of the first five overall placings."


NO THEY DIDN'T !

In the Top 5 there are 2 Carpricorns and in the top 3 there is one Capricorn; so it will be quite impossible to get 4 tigers in there! Both Sach/Sach and Kenbeek/Brouwer sailed capricorn F18's. And it was the 2 professional and fully sponsored Tornado crews that dominated the World championships, NOT the boat. Or do we really believe that they would have ended up way down the list when sailing a different make of boat ? And does anybody really believe that they were sailing stock Tigers ? Because I dare wager that both crews did alot of modifying and tricked their boats out with custom stuff that you can't even order from Hobie cat making their boats almost as different from other tigers as from the other makes.

Wouter




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Re: Always the same .... [Re: Wouter] #52845
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So what's your point and what has a Tornado to do with this ?

Don't take life too seriously, the quoted abstract from the post is clearly from somebody who is probably Bundock adept (and thus Hobie Tiger). Must be a happy man. Bundock indeed is an extraorinary sailor.

Those are not facts. It's just an interpretation

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