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#54740 08/08/05 08:12 AM 08/08/05 08:12 AM |
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#54741 08/08/05 10:40 AM 08/08/05 10:40 AM |
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Posts: 95 Salt Lake City, UT | I can highly recommend the Nacra; it's extremely stable compared to the Hobie 14's and 16's I rented, in terms of pitchpoling. It's also faster (even with just a uni sail!) than those boats. At least, that's the impression of a relative catamaran newbie  Only downside: I've heard that Nacra models before '85 are a bit heavier, and maybe harder to find parts for? This site has some good information for 1st time catamaran buyers: http://www.sailingproshop.com/Catamaran.htm-Aaron | | | Re: Hobie vs. Nacra, which to buy?? Help!
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#54744 08/08/05 12:29 PM 08/08/05 12:29 PM |
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Posts: 2,074 Northfield,NH USA | I had the same decision back in the late winter. I bought BOTH. After sailing them both I sold the Hobie 16 and kept the Nacra. It's one of the best choices I made and also one of the easiest. It's a great boat. You will love it. Greg
The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised. - George Will "It's not that liberals aren't smart, it's just that so much of what they know isn't so" -Ronald Reagan | | | Re: Hobie vs. Nacra, which to buy?? Help!
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#54746 08/08/05 02:41 PM 08/08/05 02:41 PM |
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Posts: 95 Salt Lake City, UT | Sounds like we started up the holy wars...
Living in Salt Lake City, which isn't completely in the sticks but sure isn't an international hub of cat sailing, I can say parts aren't a problem for either a Hobie or Nacra - and this is coming from a Nacra owner who frequents a shop that services and sells Hobies.
I will agree that a Hobie 16 rides "drier" than my Nacra - it sits about half a foot higher off the water. On the other hand, that same design leads to easy pitchpoling. As for Nacra construction having "its own issues", any boat will need regular maintenance and will have its weak spots.
From what I can tell, the newer Hobies are great. If I had $5000+ to spend on a new boat, I could think of worse ways to do it than get a recent-model Hobie 18. If there are a lot of Hobies in your area and you want abundant, fair racing above speed/comfort/ease of sailing, it makes sense to look for a Hobie.
That said, when looking for a 70's or 80's boat, I'd personally stay away from Hobie 16's and especially Hobie 14's. Obviously they're fun boats that will beat a Sunfish any day, and there are a lot of very happy H14/16 owners out there. But for the price, they don't handle nearly as well as a Prindle or Nacra (or a Hobie 18) - especially with the pitchpoling issue.
This is just my opinion; I acknoweldge I am a relative cat newbie who has sailed a H14, H16 and Prindle 16 as rentals many years ago before buying a Nacra. | | | Re: Hobie vs. Nacra, which to buy?? Help!
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#54747 08/08/05 04:10 PM 08/08/05 04:10 PM |
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Posts: 264 Neb | I currently have a Nacra 5.2 modified for single-hand with a Pentax sail.
In the past I have had: H14, H14T, H18Mag, H17.
Personal opinion:
H14/H14T - Small, not much boyancy, fun boat for someone by themselves a lot. Otherwise No thanks... slow.
H18Mag - A war-horse. Not for single-handers. A hell of a lot of fun with 2-3 people in a good breeze. Built extremely tough, but also over 400lb.
H17 - Fun boat for 1 or 2 people. Not a light wind boat. The old mylar sails were terrible. The build quality is the flimsiest of all Hobies. For a single-hander it is a fun boat though. The centerboard design is down right moronic. Easy to move around on your own.
Nacra 5.2 - Solid. Under 300lb. Parts are generally cheaper in comparison to Hobie including sails HT or otherwise. I have never been a huge fan of the Nacra rudder system, but I'd rather replace ropes instead of Hobie cams. Generally fast boat before HT sails. After HT sails, wow. Pre-1983 N5.2's did not have foam sandwich hulls. Just straight fiberglass.
Basically: If you want to race one-design, buy an H16. If not, I recommend Nacra. From what I have seen Nacra generally makes a higher quality boat. Nacra has more support overseas than they do in the states. Parts will always be around and there are a ton of sailmakers. You aren't locked into buying MFG only parts. | | | Re: Hobie vs. Nacra, which to buy?? Help!
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#54748 08/08/05 06:42 PM 08/08/05 06:42 PM |
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 829 Charleston, SC NCSUtrey
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Posts: 829 Charleston, SC | I've had a H16, then a TheMightyHobie18 SX, a Nacra 6.0na, and finally an Nacra 20. I by far find the Nacra to be higher performing, more thrilling boat. The N20 is by far the most thrilling boat I have ever sailed. Neither my 16 nor my 18 went soft (I only had them for a few years), but the cams were a pain to replace in the rudders. The N20 seems a little more fragile than the 6.0, and def. more fragile than the 16 or 18, but I still run it very hard and the performance is worth it. Generally speaking, I have found that Hobies don't last as long (delaminate), but replacement parts are usually easier to find. What it comes down to, though, is don't buy a boat that you don't like (or is soft). Trey N20 314 Layline Rigging www.velocitysailing.com
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#54749 08/08/05 09:28 PM 08/08/05 09:28 PM |
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Posts: 473 Panama City, Florida | I bought a Nacra 5.2 earlier in the spring after sailing mostly on H16s. The Nacra is a much better boat (I'm biased). My friend who sails with me on the H16 says that the rigging on the Nacra is too complicated, but I think it is much better because you can shape and pull the sails from any direction you need to get the proper trim. I have found that the H16 (especially the jib) is limitted on trim options. Some more experienced sailors might disagree or maybe they have different setups than the standard H16. I had to do a small repair on my boat last month that was a piece of cake to work with. I believe my boat is an 84 and it has solid fiberglass hulls. The hulls on the Nacra 5.2 are very solid compared to the H16. I have found that even though the H16 sits higher, both boats are wet in any kind of chop. Although, the h16 is much much more likely to pitchpole on you, especially with a second sailor aboard. My boat is the only Nacra parked on a beach that has about 10 H16s, 1 H14, and a bunch of sunfish/lazers. I don't have a problem sailing around with my friends on different boats. One thing though, if you do get the Nacra 5.2 and you sail with friends on H16s, make sure you have a flexible neck. You will be forced to look back a lot to see your friends sail. -Rob V. Panama City Nacra 5.2 Rob V.
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#54752 08/09/05 05:20 PM 08/09/05 05:20 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 90 Québec, Canada CharlesLeblanc
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Posts: 90 Québec, Canada | I own a Nacra 5.2 and I used to race on a Hobie 16 as a crew for a good friend. There are major difference between the two boats but BOTH BOATS ARE REALLY NICE! .... The Hobie 16 is also one of the driest rides of all cats.... WRONG!!!!! This is the worst catamaran in my experience as far as spray is concern as soon as you start putting some weigth on it. I remember a run with 550 lbs on the wire + the skipper and we were unable to see anything. the skipper had to wear swimming googles to see something!!! The real strong points of the Hobie16: Much easier to control in messy waves! While the Nacra can be a handfull, the smaller hulls will not move as much when hitted by waves and swell. Another point: Might be one of the easiest cat for traillering. Simply use the pylones as anchor points, you can even use regular rope! Raising the mast is easier and tightening the stays is not even important. Finally, this cat is very good for beaching and overall the hulls are more solid than other cats I think that everybody will agree that both steering system have issues Strongs points of the Nacra 5.2 Very light! I am able to list my 5.2 of the ground and walk with it is the tramp and the mast are not installed. Easy to right Points well, tacks well Looks modern! My main problem with the 5.2 is thwe jib wires system. It was a good idea 30 years ago but those steel wires on the tramp are really an problem for me. BTW, If I could swapp my Nacra 5.2 for a Hobie 16 in the same shape, I would do it right now because I am now stuck with traillering to the water Charles Leblanc Nacra 5.2 #26
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#54753 08/09/05 07:08 PM 08/09/05 07:08 PM |
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Posts: 473 Panama City, Florida | One thing to consider is how well the Nacra 5.2 sails next to a slowbie... I mean... Hobie. Side by side I can usually crawl past the H16 my friend sails. That is not saying much for the Nacra because he is much more experienced than I am. So, the Nacra makes up for my errors plus some.
Steve, The Nacra 5.2 is all fixed and I have sailed on it a couple of times since (between tropical storms and hurricanes). I'd love to crew on one of the races. I have no race experience whatsoever, but I feel like I would be a good crew. I weigh around 150# and I am relatively well fit aerobically. Let me know if you need a second.
-Rob V. Panama City Nacra 5.2
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#54756 08/09/05 08:43 PM 08/09/05 08:43 PM |
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Posts: 473 Panama City, Florida | That one problem about the H16 that I forgot about... the "popping a wheelee" issue. Because of the ssslllooowww tacking of the H16, we usually try to do a roll tack. The problem is that even in medium wind, it tends to pop a wheelee while trying to perform this maneuver. With the daggerboards, the Nacra tacks almost as well as a monohull. I am not required to backwind the jib on the Nacra like I have to do a lot of on the H16. However, the H16 is simpler to rig and it is much easier to beach, especially solo. I end up running all over the tramp trying to get ready for a beaching, but I only beach it once per trip, I tack many times, so the payoff is worth it.
-Rob V. Panama City Rob V.
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