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Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: CraigO] #54793
08/09/05 02:03 PM
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Craig,

I think that the growth and turnout for the F18 fleets in North America is great, thats why I was on the website in the first place. I wasnt being critical of the F18 class, or the the event, JUST the website. The pre-event coverage got me interested, so I was excited to follow along, but then was disappointed and voiced my opinion.

I was also interested to see how some of the rest of the fleet was doing, but again, nothing about the other 28 teams that are sailing this week.

I'm not married to the HT, in fact I sold mine. I like the Nacra F18, its a good looking boat.

The event looks like fun, I wish I was there, then I wouldnt be sitting here bitching about the website.

Bill

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Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: bvining] #54794
08/09/05 03:12 PM
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Hey Jake,

The videos are neat and all but race results and standings are not that difficult to deal with.

As for this being the first video & real time coverage, well look at the last few major Hobie events. Hobie 16 NA's & Worlds both had video and also had results for each race as they started the next race. Look at the coverage for the last Hobie Tiger Worlds. Exceptional.

I know it's a ton of work and have nothing but kudos for all that forsake sailing to bring us closer to the event.

I think that some folks are just spoiled with some of the efforts of the recent past!!!!

It wasn't to long ago that we had to wait for a phone call or the results to come out in print. As you say things can only get better!!!!

Brian et al keep the info and videos coming

How bout that lady driver!!!! GO SUSAN!!!!

Point High & foot Fast

Tom Korz


Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: Jake] #54795
08/09/05 03:16 PM
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This is cutting edge stuff and it will only get better. NOBODY has ever provided coverage of a catamaran (or any sailing) regatta even remotely close to what Brian and his crew are doing now...and it is going to get better through the week.

NOt really true, Jake. We covered the Worrell 1000 similarly the last year. And I have to say, it is no Sunday picnic. We had two of us on the job working about 14 hours a day to get up 3 or 4 videos a day.
We would get the starts each day, edit the video so it made sense and get it uploaded via satellite we set at each stop. There were several teams video taping, but they had no way of uploading -- only dial up service from the hotels and that did not work at all.
Once we had the video up (usually about an hour after the start), we would pack up the satellite dish on a trailer and head for the next stop.

Next stop, spend two hours dialing in the dish then rush to the beach for more video of the finish. Back to the RV to edit and upload.

We didn't get the flack that I have seen in this thread because no one had ever done it before.., I guess!

Anyway, I can tell you that these guys are trying to offer something that is hard to find -- coverage of a big event. I think everyone gets spoiled rotten. Give viewers one good coverage of an event and they want them all to be that way.

Keep in mind that for most events you never even hear what went on for weeks or months later. Seems every regatta host wants to plug the heck out of their event to get folks to come, but then after the event is over.., RADIO SILENCE!
Easy to figure out why.., usually everyone is so beat, they just want to hibernate.
But, the best thing you can do to make your next year's regatta better is to report on what this year's did.
Rick


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Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: BobG] #54797
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Just looked at the Video and it look good.

One thing I've seen on ther sites that is kinda cool is to allow you to re-size the Video window to small, med and large depending in the connection speed as Broadband can vary from 0.5 to 10Mb.


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Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: RickWhite] #54798
08/09/05 04:01 PM
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OK,
I apologize for the "website sucks" comment. The results are up, thanks for that, and the new interviews are interesting.

Bill

Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: bvining] #54799
08/09/05 05:03 PM
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Bill V and DSYC

Just Curious and so I have a few questions

What regattas have you run or participated in and What did you actually do to make that event happen?

How many people were on the team or teams?

Have you done any computer work that involves creating some content for the event and then getting it out there for the public to read or view?

Did you do more or less the following year? If you did not volunteer the following years.... why and who took over your functions?


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Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: Mark Schneider] #54800
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Look at that Mark Schneider. The king complainer himself.
Well if that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black.

Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: HobieZealot] #54801
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What is the matter with all you guys? Is the summer heat getting to you or what?

Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: Mary] #54802
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What is the matter with all you guys? Is the summer heat getting to you or what?


No kidding...I'm going back to sailing and with any luck, David and I won't have a camera onboard to capture me snagging the offset mark anchor line (should there ever be a next time). Brian posted some edited footage from the onboard camera we had today.

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Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: Jake] #54803
08/09/05 11:26 PM
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capture me snagging the offset mark anchor line


I was wondering if that's what was happing in that video. I thought I could see you say, "we hit the mark."

Great video, overall, despite grabbing the mark. It explains why you had the low placing in that race. You seem to be doing pretty well against a very tough crowd. Keep it up and stay away from the anchor lines.


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Hey Jake,

My hat goes off to you guys for being brave enough to film yourselves AND make it public--makes for some good entertainment and makes me feel a bit better about my own sailing ... like when I hit the mark with my tiller extension.

Good luck and thanks for sharing.


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Re: F18 NA Website and Coverage [Re: ejpoulsen] #54805
08/10/05 07:21 AM
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I agree with Jake that some people out there have some serious burrs stuck pretty high in their butts regarding the website and coverage. Get with the program and get a life. It's not absolutely perfect but it works very well. The coverage is awesome. I too, like Steve and Les, spend to much time on the website at work...wanting to get every detail in the tough conditions everyone is experiencing. Reminds me of the Tiger Worlds in California earlier this year. Tracie - nasty looking shiner. Glad you're OK. You did a wonderful job in pulling this together. Keep up the great work. Wish I was there with you all but this work thing got in the way. Good luck, sail fast, sail safe but most of all...have fun. GO Greg and JB.

John Bauldry
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Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: SteveT] #54806
08/10/05 07:43 AM
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I was wondering if that's what was happing in that video. I thought I could see you say, "we hit the mark."

Great video, overall, despite grabbing the mark. It explains why you had the low placing in that race. You seem to be doing pretty well against a very tough crowd. Keep it up and stay away from the anchor lines.


Well...I had forgotten that the camera was rolling through all of that until Brian said with a twinge of sarchasm "We got some GREAT footage" sometime later that evening. ;-) When we hit the mark, I think David was the first to say "Mark, Mark!" When he started to lift the boards while on his knees I think I said something like "board all the way" - not that he wasn't already going for it. It felt like an eternity before we got unstuck from the anchor line as we had all those boats hot on our heels. After looking back at the video, I was amazed at how quickly David reacted to the issue I created! We did our 360 shortly after that jibe and we did it without dousing the chute - it went pretty quickly but we did lose position on all those boats. Video like that, although publicly can be a bit embarassing , is really valuable to me to critique ourselves. Brian has a really neat setup with these cameras that can survive the craziest conditions.


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Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: HobieZealot] #54807
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I absolutely will call out any moron who critiques the work of volunteers. ESPECIALLY the ungrateful SOB's who probably havent run an event in years... or who feel that their ONE TIME effort once upon a time entitles them to a pass forever.

I think the web coverage of the F18's and the California Hobie events is great and want to thank the people who put the time in.... Tracie and her colleagues are doing a great job and now after all that work she may not be able to sail the rest of the event

Hopefully she wont have to read anymore little pissant comments from bozo's in the peanut gallery.

Mark



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Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: Mark Schneider] #54808
08/10/05 09:18 AM
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Are the anchor lines not weighted? We put PVC pipe filled with concrete and an eye bolt down the line about 5ft to keep the anchor lines straight down. It seems as though Jake should have sailed by that offset without catching the line.


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Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: pbisesi] #54809
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They are not weighted, Susan mentioned that after she said she hit that mark and had to do a circle also.

didn't seem like an awful long off set leg?

Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: Tom Korz] #54810
08/10/05 11:56 AM
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I like the PVC pipe idea, I can remember spending a regatta morning trying to be clever about tieing up strange shaped rocks and making them stay, thats way harder than it sounds. Its really awesome to see that many boats!


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Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: jfint] #54811
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Only comment I have about marks is that I hate small itty bitty orange balls.

Can't see them worth anything in any kind of chop, and with a ton of boats in the way.

Re: F18 North Americans Under Way! [Re: MauganN20] #54812
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Hey, Jake, great inside joke on the interview video this morning. I hope the complainers are watching and red-faced from embarrassment.


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