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#61306 11/25/05 07:01 AM 11/25/05 07:01 AM |
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Posts: 3,114 BANNED | wont be hard for me... You have to always present the sunnier side of the situation.... "well honey, at least its not a motorcycle and its something that we can do together! I was thinking of all the time we could spend together on the beach when I bought it." Just dont tell her that "spending time on the beach" means you rigging, and her drinking mojitos. | | | Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18
[Re: Jake]
#61307 11/25/05 08:14 PM 11/25/05 08:14 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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The most active classes are going to see the most design iterations as the manufacturers fight for dominance. But again, like I said before, while the changes are exciting and revolutionary in appearance, the effort on part of the manufacturer and designers is fighting for a 1-2% (or less) advantage on the water. I would estimate that my skill at sailing these boats is extracting anywhere between 80% and 95% (when in our sweet spot of wind strength) out of the boat. Will 1% help me? Maybe...but not as much as going out to practice practice practice with the boat that I have.
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David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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[Re: Robi]
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Convincing your wife about buying a F18 ? Wake up please ;-) Convicing our wifes to purchase ANY beachcat for that matter!!! Well, if she's on the front of the boat it's a lot easier. If she aint on the the front of your boat, then you are on your own. Ding
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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[Re: David Ingram]
#61309 11/26/05 06:41 AM 11/26/05 06:41 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 1,911 South Florida & the Keys arbo06
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Posts: 1,911 South Florida & the Keys | Tell her it gets great gas mileage and never needs tires or oil changes, just an occasional tune up and new clothes.
Eric Arbogast ARC 2101 Miami Yacht Club | | | Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18
[Re: CraigO]
#61311 11/26/05 08:14 AM 11/26/05 08:14 AM |
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... Mary
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | Okay, put the shoe on the other foot, guys. How do I convince my husband that I need a new trampoline, sail, mainsheet and blocks? (And I'm talking about my boat, not my body.) In a two-boat household, whose boat do you think gets priority? I guess this is why guys don't REALLY want their wives getting so interested in sailing that they want their own boats -- doubles all the costs. | | | Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18
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#61315 11/26/05 07:32 PM 11/26/05 07:32 PM |
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Posts: 576 | Convincing your wife about buying a F18 ? Wake up please ;-) Boomer,Oranje Natuurlijke. I've got a T-Cat of that era on the rack now ready for Aviation Orange, graphics coming later.
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Posts: 576 | Mary are you trying to say you want a sewing machine for christmas
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#61319 11/27/05 05:36 AM 11/27/05 05:36 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe Wouter
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Hey david,
Hoeveel ken jij van de Nederlandse taal ? Heb je een Nederlandse familie achtergrond ?
Wouter
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#61322 11/28/05 07:48 AM 11/28/05 07:48 AM |
Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland Dermot
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Posts: 915 Dublin, Ireland | David Tilley, Van waar af kom jy dat jy so mooi die taal ken ? Ek dog jy was `n Amerikaner. Daar is nou `n hele groep manse wat irriteerd gaan word omdat hul glad nie verstaan waaroor ons praat ! "David Tilley, Of where bowl jy that do jy so nicely know that language? Ek of dog jy was ` n Amerikaner. There nou ` n complete group of man are what goes irritated become because wrap in nie understand waaroor our praat!" See ! we know what you are saying "I Think"
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#61323 11/28/05 08:12 AM 11/28/05 08:12 AM |
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Posts: 612 Cape Town, South Africa | Ooh, Dermot, that sounds gaelic to me (but my ribs are sore from laughing !! it`s even funnier if you translate directly to english (and no, it`s not Dutch either.) I guess it`s safer to stick to English on this forum, bad enough we often mis-understand eachother due to perception differences caused by our varying understanding of the same thing. oh and on the original topic, I`ll agree with whoever said it looks very ... bouyant (I think Maughan ?) Looks like they used a new building process where you inflate the hull before it cures, and they forgot to stop at the correct pressure. Does look like it can handle more weight and be pushed quite hard before the bow goes under though. Does seem a bit worrying that they are launching a new hull shape though, will that not make the last Nacra F18`s a bit obsolete ? And how does that work out when a "Nacra F18 Nationals" is held, all boats are meant to sail off the same rating but there will be performance differences between hull shapes. In my opinion this is vastly different from the Hobie strategy, which seems to be working. | | | Re: First photo of new M&M Nacra Formula 18
[Re: Steve_Kwiksilver]
#61324 11/28/05 08:44 AM 11/28/05 08:44 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Does seem a bit worrying that they are launching a new hull shape though, will that not make the last Nacra F18`s a bit obsolete ? And how does that work out when a "Nacra F18 Nationals" is held, all boats are meant to sail off the same rating but there will be performance differences between hull shapes. We've already been over the obsolete thing...show me the obvious speed advantage before you start calling my boat "obsolete"! I still believe the differences will be pretty minor to most sailors. How they are going to handle the Nacra Nats and Worlds is a good question...but to me, I think they have clearly committed to be an international Formula 18 boat without regard for the manufacturer class at this point...however, just because the hull has a different shape, doesn't mean that the older boats are worthless and uncompetitive (see previous posts). In my opinion this is vastly different from the Hobie strategy, which seems to be working. Heh? Working? While they may have more active "Hobie Tiger Class" boats they're platform has remained the same because it has a good track record at major F18 events. If they slip in the results to some of the new development do you think we'll see a new F18 from Hobie? I feel pretty certain that we would...boy, wouldn't that mess up the "strategy"? Exactly which strategy are you referring too? HCA's fence straddling to maintain a Hobie one design class and a competitive F18 platform? This has worked thus far because there have not been major changes in the Tiger platform to date but they have had to make uncharacteristic class modifications to keep the Tiger class in phase with the Tiger F18 development. In my opinion, I don't see why I would go to great lengths to participate in a one manufacturer class with my F18 when I have six times as many and four times as large F18 events around the country. Part of the reason that I chose the boat I sail on currently, however, is because the manufacturer class rules mirror those of F18.
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#61325 11/28/05 12:09 PM 11/28/05 12:09 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe Wouter
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No it is Afrikaan, nie ?
I can read and understand it pretty well, but if I use that grammar and spelling in any report overhere I'll be looking for a new job for sure.
Afrikaans and Dutch have drifted some ways apart over the last 200 years.
Wouter
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