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#74471 05/12/06 01:00 PM 05/12/06 01:00 PM |
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | "Also - the Prosail 40s were not one-design in the sense you say. At one point there was trimaran in the mix."
He did not say "Prosail 40's"; he just said "Prosail," so I think he was referring to the Hobie 21's, which were part of the Prosail series.
Obviously, the 40's were not one-design, because that division included both catamarans and trimarans. The Hobie 21's were one-design. | | | Re: Cat Class Suicide?
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#74472 05/12/06 09:31 PM 05/12/06 09:31 PM |
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Posts: 1,459 Annapolis,MD | "Also - the Prosail 40s were not one-design in the sense you say. At one point there was trimaran in the mix."
He did not say "Prosail 40's"; he just said "Prosail," so I think he was referring to the Hobie 21's, which were part of the Prosail series.
Obviously, the 40's were not one-design, because that division included both catamarans and trimarans. The Hobie 21's were one-design. Yeah, I assumed he meant the Prosail 40's because he had just mentioned the Volvo Extreme 40s. The Prosail 21s were certainly one design. | | | Re: Cat Class Suicide?
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#74473 05/13/06 01:55 AM 05/13/06 01:55 AM |
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Posts: 9 | "Also - the Prosail 40s were not one-design in the sense you say. At one point there was trimaran in the mix."
After checking, I see that ProSail started with the Hobie 21s as Mary says, then built a "fleet of Formula 40s albiet a semi One-Design" very similar to Smyth's M&M that won the F40s in Europe in '86.(Seahorse mag Nov/Dec '88)
After the first event in '88, the lovely Gougeon tri Adrenalin joined in. According to Seahorse mag March/April '89, the series went OD after that, using ProSail 40s designed by M&M (the first three were built in '88, another for Smyth '89, and some of his earlier F40s were changed to "convert them back to the ProSail 40 specifications". The M&M website says that "the Morrelli F-40 became the Prosail one design choice in 1989 and 1990."
So it seems the series was (with one exception, Adrenalin, which was banned after 2 events, and perhaps the less successful Earthwatch?????) One Design.
Re Tornadoes; they certainly were designed to the B Class - the competition at Sheppey in '67 was for a One Design class within the limits of the B Class. All the serious competitors (Tornado 1 and II, Quest B, Manta B and Roton Pointer) were designed to the limits of the B Class.
I can't find all my sources (some are in the attic) but this info comes from the '68 book "Catamaran Racing", written by Reg White (who built the first 2 Tornadoes and skippered the one that won the trials) and Bob Fisher (his crew). I don't think the Tornadoes had done much B Class racing; they had only been built that year, Fisher says the Manta dominated B Class racing, and Tornado II (the wing mast una rig version) was so new it missed the first day's racing. | | | Re: Cat Class Suicide?
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#74477 05/14/06 04:13 PM 05/14/06 04:13 PM |
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Posts: 1,449 | Pete, If you do manage to find it I would love a copy if you have a scanner. Attended a lecture by Mead Guegeon around 16yrs back where he gave us the run down on the boat. However memory aint perfect. It would be good to get a copy of the article for reference.
I know that the voices in my head aint real, but they have some pretty good ideas. There is no such thing as a quick fix and I've never had free lunch!
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#74478 05/14/06 05:49 PM 05/14/06 05:49 PM |
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | If Adrenaline and Earthwatch were the only two trimarans racing in Prosail, I have pictures of both of them. Rick took a lot of photos, on the water, when the series was in Miami. They're all great pictures, but the problem is that they are color slides.
If you can't find a picture elsewhere, let me know and I will try to find a place that can convert them into photographs. Maybe the company that prints my magazine can do it. | | | Re: Cat Class Suicide?
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#74480 05/15/06 08:00 AM 05/15/06 08:00 AM |
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Posts: 3,348 | If Adrenaline and Earthwatch were the only two trimarans racing in Prosail, I have pictures of both of them. Rick took a lot of photos, on the water, when the series was in Miami. They're all great pictures, but the problem is that they are color slides.
If you can't find a picture elsewhere, let me know and I will try to find a place that can convert them into photographs. Maybe the company that prints my magazine can do it. Do you suppose you could get "Wooden Boat" to reprint the article online? I had 5-10 years of WB mags. but I think they went in the garbage! I did find this on the "Wooden Boat" site. Each back issue would run you $6.00 each: Results of Search in WoodenBoat Magazine Index Try Another Search Below are the results of your Search in no particular order: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- /ADRENALIN (Formula 40 class):/comments, 117:102 /ADRENALIN (Formula 40 class):/comments, photos, 84:48 /ADRENALIN (Formula 40 class):/cover photo/Christian Fevrier, 87:0 /ADRENALIN (Formula 40 class):/design and construction, history, photos, plans, 87:66 /ADRENALIN (Formula 40 class):/update (1999), photo, 150:38 /Formula 40 class, ADRENALIN:/comments, 117:102 /Formula 40 class, ADRENALIN:/comments, photos, 84:48 /Formula 40 class, ADRENALIN:/cover photo/Christian Fevrier,* 87:0 /Formula 40 class, ADRENALIN:/design and construction, history, photos, plans, 87:66 /Formula 40 class, ADRENALIN:/update (1999), photo, 150:38 /Trimaran:/(See also ADRENALIN [Formula 40 class]; D-30 trimaran; DRAGONFLY 15; GULF STREAMER; IDENEK; JUNIPER; MOXIE; NISMIME [research vessel]; OCEAN SURFER; ROGUE WAVE; ROSE NOELLE [trimaram]; Searunner Trimaran [sloop]; Sea Clipper trimaran; SHADOWFAX; SIB 32; TELEGRAMME; THAT; TROPIC BIRD; VITI-VITI) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Search Information: Terms: adrenalin, formula, 40, class Boolean Used: AND -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try Another Search | | | Re: Cat Class Suicide?
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#74481 05/15/06 11:29 PM 05/15/06 11:29 PM |
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Posts: 1,459 Annapolis,MD | "Also - the Prosail 40s were not one-design in the sense you say. At one point there was trimaran in the mix."
After checking, I see that ProSail started with the Hobie 21s as Mary says, then built a "fleet of Formula 40s albiet a semi One-Design" very similar to Smyth's M&M that won the F40s in Europe in '86.(Seahorse mag Nov/Dec '88)
After the first event in '88, the lovely Gougeon tri Adrenalin joined in. According to Seahorse mag March/April '89, the series went OD after that, using ProSail 40s designed by M&M (the first three were built in '88, another for Smyth '89, and some of his earlier F40s were changed to "convert them back to the ProSail 40 specifications". The M&M website says that "the Morrelli F-40 became the Prosail one design choice in 1989 and 1990."
So it seems the series was (with one exception, Adrenalin, which was banned after 2 events, and perhaps the less successful Earthwatch?????) One Design. My bad, thought that was more of a formula than OD class. The footage I have must be more of the early days. | | |
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