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[Re: John Williams]
#79736 07/17/06 08:34 AM 07/17/06 08:34 AM |
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Posts: 3,528 Looking for a Job, I got credi... | But what can the RC protest the competitors about ?
If a boat is out of class (or not carrying the correct equipment), then it would be other competitors (or the official measurer) who would be protesting (or do you count the RC as OM ?)
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[Re: John Williams]
#79737 07/17/06 08:49 AM 07/17/06 08:49 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I heard tale that a lot of the new jibs have straight battens in them and have sailed with one myself -I didn't try but I imagine I would have a tough time furling it with the 3.9" diameter required. B.4.2.2 For safety purpose, it shall be mandatory, when racing, to furl done by the crew in normal position on the trampoline. The crew may be asked to demonstrate his ability to furl the jib when B.4.2.3 The maximum diameter of the furled jib shall be 100 mm. For that matter, that jib I sailed certainly didn't meet this one: B.4.2.4 The maximum number of jib battens will be 4. The battens and/or the batten pockets length shall not exceed a distance of 250 mm normal from the leech. The batten pockets shall be parallel to the luff (± 5°), with a maximum inside length of 300 mm. The jibs measured, marked and appearing on a measurement certificate prior to 1st December 2001 remain permitted until 1st March 2003.
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[Re: Jake]
#79738 07/17/06 09:11 AM 07/17/06 09:11 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Yeah - the straight-batten jib will NOT furl to the required dimension.
Do you think we can propose some rules changes (like furled dimension and sticker location) before September??
[i]edit - straight battens are allowed in the International F18 rules - the "parallel to the luff" appears to be a NA thing, along with the furled dimension. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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#79739 07/17/06 09:44 AM 07/17/06 09:44 AM |
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Posts: 371 Michigan, USA | Scooby,
It is in the Rules that an event measurer is compelled to notify the RC of any equipment violations and the RC is to protest the offending boats. There is a section of the Rules called "Event Measurement" that contains the following:
F.3.4. EVENT MEASURER’S RESPONSIBILITY: The RRS 78.3 gives the initial authority to the event measurers to determine whether an item of material complies or not with the class rules. This authority is afforded only during the event measurement. If a measurer is convinced without any doubt that an item of material does not comply with the rules, he shall write a report to the race committee, who shall lodge a protest against the yacht.
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[Re: sparky]
#79740 07/17/06 10:05 AM 07/17/06 10:05 AM |
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It is in the Rules that an event measurer is compelled to notify the RC of any equipment violations and the RC is to protest the offending boats. There is a section of the Rules called "Event Measurement" that contains the following:
F.3.4. EVENT MEASURER’S RESPONSIBILITY: The RRS 78.3 gives the initial authority to the event measurers to determine whether an item of material complies or not with the class rules. This authority is afforded only during the event measurement. If a measurer is convinced without any doubt that an item of material does not comply with the rules, he shall write a report to the race committee, who shall lodge a protest against the yacht. OK, thanks, never had a boat fail measurement so I'd not experienced it. So it appears that maybe a number of boats were not m,easuring, or re-measuring !
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#79743 07/17/06 03:59 PM 07/17/06 03:59 PM |
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[Re: John Williams]
#79745 07/17/06 06:47 PM 07/17/06 06:47 PM |
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Posts: 337 Victoria, Australia | Here's a question... who came up with the formula? Seriously. Go back far enough and there's probably like one or two guys who got behind the original concept. And when was the last significant change to the formula? I don't mean changing the dimensions of the paddle or limits on carbon fiber, but substantive changes like hull width or volume. Check out http://www.f18-international.org/history.htm for a brief history of the F18 class. AFAIK there have been no major changes of the class rules beyond the control of snuffer tubes, allowing self tackers and control of sail materials. Tiger Mike | | | Re: F18 Worlds starts today!!!!!!
[Re: Jake]
#79746 07/17/06 06:51 PM 07/17/06 06:51 PM |
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Posts: 337 Victoria, Australia | I heard tale that a lot of the new jibs have straight battens in them and have sailed with one myself -I didn't try but I imagine I would have a tough time furling it with the 3.9" diameter required. B.4.2.2 For safety purpose, it shall be mandatory, when racing, to furl done by the crew in normal position on the trampoline. The crew may be asked to demonstrate his ability to furl the jib when B.4.2.3 The maximum diameter of the furled jib shall be 100 mm. For that matter, that jib I sailed certainly didn't meet this one: B.4.2.4 The maximum number of jib battens will be 4. The battens and/or the batten pockets length shall not exceed a distance of 250 mm normal from the leech. The batten pockets shall be parallel to the luff (± 5°), with a maximum inside length of 300 mm. The jibs measured, marked and appearing on a measurement certificate prior to 1st December 2001 remain permitted until 1st March 2003.
The furling one is a common problem with 4:1 self tackers. Not many actually furl and IIRC the furler is scheduled for deletion in the near future. Jib batten pockets are another common area of non-compliance. Once again when they go full batten jibs, this issue will dissappear. Tiger Mike | | | Re: F18 Worlds starts today!!!!!!
[Re: John Williams]
#79748 07/18/06 01:37 AM 07/18/06 01:37 AM |
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Posts: 1,669 Melbourne, Australia | Also noticed that the F-18 logos have to go on the port and starboard hulls under the rear beam... right where my "Capricorn" logo is. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Under the rear beam on the inside of the hulls, with certain measurement details writen under the clear F18 sticker. As for the paddles, I cant believe sailors going to these events, do not study the rules. Sailors should also forget taking shortcuts making a paddle and just buy or make a usable paddle under the class rules. | | | Re: F18 Worlds starts today!!!!!!
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#79749 07/18/06 05:36 AM 07/18/06 05:36 AM |
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Hey Steve -
I was talking about the NAF-18 Class Sticker - they go on the outside of the hulls under the rear beams rather than inside where the measurement stickers go... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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