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#85498 09/25/06 04:43 PM 09/25/06 04:43 PM |
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | Rather flat sails are fast. Sails can easily be too full and actually hurt your speed while you are thinking that full is good because you need all the power you can get. So don't do that. Keep speed up any way you can. If you drop of the groove and loose apparent wind then you have to accellerate up all over again and that is slow.
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#85499 09/25/06 05:07 PM 09/25/06 05:07 PM |
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Posts: 248 Colorado | All of the previous comments are good.
When going upwind, we get the crew forward onto the leeward hull while I sit in the middle to make every attempt to get the windward hull out of the water. It's amazing how little wind it talks to lift the hull and how much lift and speed you can gain when this happens.
Downwind we each get out on a hull and get the sterns out of the water. Keeping the boat moving is paramount. If you stall, getting going again is brutal, but I've also found that you can go a bit deeper as the apparent wind isn't very far forward.
One other trick: When jibing, give the mainsail a big pump when it comes over to snap the battens over and push the boat back up to speed. The same goes for tacking, but roll the boat as much as possible, then yank the boom or sheets to snap the battens and give the boat a boost.
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#85500 09/25/06 05:53 PM 09/25/06 05:53 PM |
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Posts: 829 Charleston, SC | From my training session with Olympic sailor Robbie Daniels, he told me that he never saw an advantage to the crew going to the leeward hull in light air. Stay forward on the boat and maybe a little central, yes, but I don't see any advantage in sending crew to the leeward hull.
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#85501 09/25/06 06:03 PM 09/25/06 06:03 PM |
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Posts: 1,658 Florida Suncoast, Dunedin Caus... | In very light-flat conditions a boat that weighs a little more can have an advantage. Once you have the boat moving it won't slow down in the lulls as fast as a lighter boat.
Lay down, keep as flat on the tramp or hull as possible. Look at your boat and find things to make smaller to reduce windage,drag.
So bring the case of beer and ice, keep your head down and have fun.
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#85502 09/25/06 06:05 PM 09/25/06 06:05 PM |
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Posts: 248 Colorado | I don't see any advantage in sending crew to the leeward hull Maybe you misunderstood what he was trying to teach you. Try it sometime. If you can help the windward hull out of the water, you will be faster.
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#85504 09/25/06 06:27 PM 09/25/06 06:27 PM |
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Posts: 248 Colorado | the logistics seem to work out best with the crew on the leward bow and the skipper just forward of the crossbar on the windward hull. I should be more specific when I say that the skipper sits "in the middle." I usually sit on, or as close to the front crossbar as possible and as close to the mast as possible. Getting the sterns up is key. My crew weighs 175 pounds and can easily get the sterns clear with me on the crossbar.
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#85508 09/26/06 01:40 AM 09/26/06 01:40 AM |
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That is what I'm finding as well. Both crew on opposite hulls and far forward.
That spi pole makes for a nice foot rest.
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Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
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#85509 09/26/06 06:38 AM 09/26/06 06:38 AM |
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Posts: 829 Charleston, SC | Robbie was quite clear in telling us that sending crew leeward in light wind was pointless when going upwind. I'm not going to argue with him...his record is much better than mine, and most everyone else here as well.
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#85511 09/26/06 07:09 AM 09/26/06 07:09 AM |
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | That maybe so, but I still do prefer to have the crew at the leeward bow manhandling the jib or holding the mast rotation firm. This way the crew is also out of my way (and the tiller/mainsheet I'm holding) and is still capable of adjusting the trim of the rig when need be (something he can not do when he is ahead of me on the luff hull).
I see therefor many points of reason to having the crew on the leeward hull. The only downside is can't do roll tacking very well like that. On the other hand, in some really difficult conditions I have also remained in my spot after a tack/gybe and continued sailing like that. Sure makes "NOT rocking the boat about" alot easier to accomplish. You can get really smooth tacks that way.
Maybe it makes Robbie slower to having a crew on the leeward hull but it certainly makes ME faster and that is why I do it.
Wouter
Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
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#85513 09/26/06 07:14 AM 09/26/06 07:14 AM |
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A crude summary.
Really light stuff : downhaul on
medium winds : downhaul more loose
heavy winds : downhaul back on again.
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