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Re: Global warming [Re: _flatlander_] #89551
11/15/06 03:22 PM
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So which is the better investment, property on the beach or property in the mountains? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />


Other than SF Bay getting larger and Florida and Louisiana disappearing everything remains pretty much status quo.
I'm looking forward to my home on the hillside getting some beach front. The only downside is the boards hanging up on the condo below us.


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Re: Global warming [Re: Banzilla] #89552
11/15/06 03:35 PM
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Jake,

Are we taking into account the "Lay of the land" as it were.

For example, one of our lakes here in NM was sooooo low, (reported 80') Now, this summer, there was enough rain in the area, to cause a 20' rise over 3 weeks, now my guess is that if we have the same amount of water flow (in and out) it would take an ever increasing amount of time (there for water) to completely fill the lake. Islands dissappear and such.

As the water rises, flows past mountains and hills and into valleys.

Humm,


I don't follow you - the melting doesn't have anything to do with rain and is simply a function of the volume of water contained in the ice that melts and contributes to the oceans.


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Re: Global warming [Re: Jake] #89553
11/15/06 03:38 PM
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I think he's eluding to what I said. As the water rises, it follows the low contours and surface area increases, so the quantity of water necessary to raise the first inch is less than the qty of water for the subsequent inches.

Re: human induced climate change [Re: Will_R] #89554
11/15/06 03:50 PM
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If you're in to reading about the "human induced climate change", fka global warming, this guy says worst case is seven meters rise. Something to do with land masses rising when glaciers melt.

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Re: Global warming [Re: Jake] #89555
11/15/06 03:52 PM
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Jake,

Are we taking into account the "Lay of the land" as it were.

For example, one of our lakes here in NM was sooooo low, (reported 80') Now, this summer, there was enough rain in the area, to cause a 20' rise over 3 weeks, now my guess is that if we have the same amount of water flow (in and out) it would take an ever increasing amount of time (there for water) to completely fill the lake. Islands dissappear and such.

As the water rises, flows past mountains and hills and into valleys.

Humm,


I don't follow you - the melting doesn't have anything to do with rain and is simply a function of the volume of water contained in the ice that melts and contributes to the oceans.


Correct, but as the water levels rise weather it be from melting ice or rain fall, the change of the shorelines will cause a need for more and more water to cause a rise in water level.

Does that make sence? More surface area, more water per inch in rise.


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Re: Global warming [Re: Banzilla] #89556
11/15/06 04:43 PM
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Jake,

Are we taking into account the "Lay of the land" as it were.

For example, one of our lakes here in NM was sooooo low, (reported 80') Now, this summer, there was enough rain in the area, to cause a 20' rise over 3 weeks, now my guess is that if we have the same amount of water flow (in and out) it would take an ever increasing amount of time (there for water) to completely fill the lake. Islands dissappear and such.

As the water rises, flows past mountains and hills and into valleys.

Humm,


I don't follow you - the melting doesn't have anything to do with rain and is simply a function of the volume of water contained in the ice that melts and contributes to the oceans.


Correct, but as the water levels rise weather it be from melting ice or rain fall, the change of the shorelines will cause a need for more and more water to cause a rise in water level.

Does that make sence? More surface area, more water per inch in rise.


Yeah ... but geeesh...I only had a few minutes to contribute and I refuse to pull out my calculus books. Even then, you're probably talking about, at most, a 5% difference in the result (for which the amount of error is likely already more than that) since the oceans already consume 71% of the earth's surface.


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Re: Global warming [Re: Jake] #89557
11/15/06 04:52 PM
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It must be global warming, weve just had our strangest weather for 40 years which is a relevant time to study the weather patterns considering the worlds only been made for millions of years. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Global warming [Re: Jake] #89558
11/15/06 05:04 PM
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Jake,

Are we taking into account the "Lay of the land" as it were.

For example, one of our lakes here in NM was sooooo low, (reported 80') Now, this summer, there was enough rain in the area, to cause a 20' rise over 3 weeks, now my guess is that if we have the same amount of water flow (in and out) it would take an ever increasing amount of time (there for water) to completely fill the lake. Islands dissappear and such.

As the water rises, flows past mountains and hills and into valleys.

Humm,


I don't follow you - the melting doesn't have anything to do with rain and is simply a function of the volume of water contained in the ice that melts and contributes to the oceans.


Correct, but as the water levels rise weather it be from melting ice or rain fall, the change of the shorelines will cause a need for more and more water to cause a rise in water level.

Does that make sence? More surface area, more water per inch in rise.


Yeah ... but geeesh...I only had a few minutes to contribute and I refuse to pull out my calculus books. Even then, you're probably talking about, at most, a 5% difference in the result (for which the amount of error is likely already more than that) since the oceans already consume 71% of the earth's surface.


Geeeshhh Jake, get on the ball here. I would like to see your work. Include all terain (again spelling). You have untill 5:00 PM Friday.

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Re: Global warming [Re: Mary] #89559
11/15/06 05:59 PM
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Property in Canada. Lake ontario is about 247ft above sea level, so just bring your gps and buy land that is higher than that. Then when the waves of displaced people come washing over the country you can rent them land at a high price.

Re: Global warming [Re: Banzilla] #89560
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dont like cold weather. do like ocean. Bring it on.


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Re: Global warming [Re: RyanMcHale] #89561
11/15/06 07:07 PM
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right, so we get global warming. the polar ice caps melt and what happens? we get more sailing area. more water and a longer season. whats wrong with that?
remember, the earth is 70% race course

Somebody's watched "Waterworld" one too many times!!


only once and only for the boat.

Re: Global warming [Re: canibul] #89562
11/15/06 07:09 PM
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A major consideration is that as the climate warms, the water mass absorbs much of that heat increase and "disguises" the effects until the water reaches a critical mass at which time there is a greater increase in expansion of that water mass which leads to ocean rise. Another real concern is that the monitoring of the gulf stream seems to indicate that it could be reaching a point where it will stop flowing north and if that should happen, although the planet will still "warm" the land mass serviced by the gulf stream will be covered in masses of ice, creating a very different world i.e. an ice age in the northern hemisphere and droughts and deserts in the southern?

Re: Global warming [Re: basket.case] #89563
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right, so we get global warming. the polar ice caps melt and what happens? we get more sailing area. more water and a longer season. whats wrong with that?
remember, the earth is 70% race course

Somebody's watched "Waterworld" one too many times!!


only once and only for the boat.


BSEG, I've watched it more times than I care to admit, and only because of the boat!!! I Want that boat!!!!!!


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Re: Global warming [Re: Banzilla] #89564
11/15/06 08:19 PM
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Geeeshhh Jake, get on the ball here. I would like to see your work. Include all terain (again spelling). You have untill 5:00 PM Friday.


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Re: Global warming [Re: RyanMcHale] #89565
11/15/06 09:08 PM
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Somebody's watched "Waterworld" one too many times!!


only once and only for the boat.


BSEG, I've watched it more times than I care to admit, and only because of the boat!!! I Want that boat!!!!!!


You guys need to get out more often. What about Jean Tripplehorn? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Global warming [Re: hobie1616] #89566
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You guys need to get out more often.


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Re: Global warming [Re: hobie1616] #89567
11/16/06 02:35 AM
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Somebody's watched "Waterworld" one too many times!!


only once and only for the boat.


BSEG, I've watched it more times than I care to admit, and only because of the boat!!! I Want that boat!!!!!!


You guys need to get out more often. What about Jean Tripplehorn? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />


Well, Yeah, but of course I thought she was part of the Standard Equipment on the boat!!!!!!!! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Global warming [Re: _flatlander_] #89568
11/16/06 07:03 AM
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So which is the better investment, property on the beach or property in the mountains? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />


Other than SF Bay getting larger and Florida and Louisiana disappearing everything remains pretty much status quo.


Probably the lower 1/2 of Louisiana would go and leave the upper section... wait, hmmmm well thats why I have a boat right?

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Re: Global warming [Re: Clayton] #89569
11/16/06 11:27 AM
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you'll be able to buy land in Fourchon dirt cheap...

and I wish Waterworld was a series.

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Re: Global warming [Re: waynemarlow] #89570
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Take a glass full of ice cubes and top it to the very brim with water, let the ice melt and measure how much water has spilt over the side. Hang on a minute there hasn't been a drop spilt infact the level went down slightly. Now if all the ice bergs in the world melted would we have the same effect. Answers please


A big part of the polar ice pack is on land. When (if) it melts the ocean will rise. Scientist are saying anything between 3ft and 300ft over the next 10 to 100 years. If it ALL melts its equal to 300 ft in ocean rise.

If you keep track of the research, some of the ice pack is melting at an alarming rate and f***ing up penguins and polar bears. Some of it is actually increasing.

So, what this tells me is that its more about weather change, not just gettting warmer, some places get warmer, some get colder.

The 300ft thing is pretty scary if you believe it.

Bill

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