Is there anyway we can get a set of recent moulds for the mossie up in NSW. If how much would they be?

Peter Cobden has his name floating around the glass boats, maybe try and contact him via the mosquito website.

I think there would be a bit involved in doing though. You'll need someone with the experience to build them, and at the moment you'd have to work out if its economical to buy/make a mould for NSW, I realise its very difficult to predict, but will you make enough of them to warrant the expense.

If theres a group of you keen to have foam sandwich boats, you could pool your resources and build a hull and build a mould.

But its quite possible the association has a plug to make a copy of the present association mould, but like I said you would need someone with the know how.

The boyer mould, as some have pointed out are different to the association mould, but to what extent I'm not really sure, the difference couldn't be great I wouldn't imagine. You could enquire about them as they are for sale, either pool together and buy or buy as the association.

You guys sound committed to putting on kites, and I would think at the end of the day, any small changes in hull shape, particularly more volume up forward, would cancel itself out with the spinnaker.

You guys seem really keen and I hope the NSW association will become a success, good to see a bit of fire for the class.

Regards

Ive got a bloke who did my f/glass work on my 470 and he was reasonably cheap and really good as well.
As it is my boat might be up for sail at the beginning of next season after I finish the new boat so there's another one out there and bens told my of one where its just sitting there doing nothing, so if we can get a mould or something like that and put a new set of hull on it, there's another one.
There are heaps of mossies popping up now its just a matter of finding them and getting them to join the assoc.

Im just thinking of how we can get glass hull up here. Paying $6000 for a set of hulls and then having them transported up here might cost a bit, but what Im worried about is damage when they do get transported.
As for kites I know there's a couple of us who wanna put kite's on our mossies so hopefully when we do get them going we can have a bit of fun with the bigger guys.
As for the assoc. Im in talks with some one to help build a website so as soon as that is up and I organise a bank account for the assoc. it will be full steam ahead.

This might sound out of reach, but, if you found a couple or more secondhand boats down here at the right price, one or two of you could drive to vic and pick them piggy back on a trailer or two, as you would know you would a better chance of finding a couple of boats down this way. It is really, in the grand scheme of things, not that far. I helped build a 40ft catamaran in Ballarat, Vic, we towed each hull up there separately and can easily be done if allowed a couple of days.

For getting two new hulls up there I'd be almost tempted to do the same, depending on the transport cost. I recently purchased a mast from Adelaide, I found there was not much difference between us going to pick it up to having it delivered (because of the length). I also felt more comfortable picking it up, because I knew what it was and how much it was worth, so it got the respect it deserved. There were additional costs of course, such as, we stayed the night at a motel on the way home, and meals, but I'm glad I did it.

I've got three mossies here, but I won't be parting with them until I re-paint them and have them basically ready to sail, maybe late 2007, but you would probably be looking at more modern boats anyway.

Regards

any mossie is a good mossie if looked after properly

Hi Wildtoy,

great to hear you guy's so fired up, if you want reliable minimum weight fibreglass foam sandwich hulls, the cost of getting them to N.S.W. is relatively low, compared to the cost of working out how to build them strong enough and light enough out of a mould. From what I heard Boyer even had some teething problems when he started building them out of what you call the association moulds.

Then there is the difference in shape, the Boyer moulds have less rocker and volume than the "assoc. moulds" this improvement within the rules, is why all the professionaly built boats in the last few years have come out of the "assoc. moulds".

But it is all a matter of what you want to achieve and how much money, or little, you can get what you want for isn't it <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />. I think timber Mossies are the most viable option if you don't want to spend the money to buy hulls from the "assoc. mould".

Don't worry I realise a new set of hulls cost more money than some want to spend, including myself as I looked at it a few years ago when I was sailing Mossies. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Life is like that, but it is one of the great things about Mossies, if you dig around for the right second hand boat you can get into it for only a $1,000. or so <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />, then you just keep spending more on it <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />. Sailing is like that. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Regards Gary. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Im just trying to find a way of getting more mossies in nsw. as we dont have anyone to build a mossie up here they seem to be disappearing so if we can some how get a fw new ones up to sell we might be able to get more sailors revved up over the mossie.
just a thought

william

Sorry Gary, I'm only refering to them as the association moulds, because they are the ones on the association website, and I don't, but I'm sure others do, know who owns them. Just called them that to give them a title.

The boyer mould would have to have more rocker than the original, wouldn't it?

Are the champs boats from the mould on the website?, are there any timber boats up there?, are there any boyer boats in the top 5 for example?

Regards

Hi Wildtoy,
I have been talking to Jim and his mould is on the market. If you are looking to get into building a few boats this would be a cost effective way to go. Building a plug, then a mould is very time consuming. You will have enough trouble just getting the lay-up right. When we had trouble with our mould, we priced getting a new mould made. The first quote was $30,000 so we gave up on that idea and spent our money on fixing the one we have. I am sure you could make a plug and mould yourself for a lot less money, but be prepared to spend hundreds of hours in the shed.

There is another mould in Melbourne built a few years ago. This mould has built three boats that I know of. I believe the original owner of the mould has sold or leased it to someone else. They would also be worth talking too.

The way we went about getting new boats on the water was to buy the mould and have someone build the boats for us, First CC Fibreglass built two boats then Boyer Fibrecraft built ten. Jim has closed his doors and we have moved the mould again. Believe me even getting a professional to build boats for you is not an easy process and you will spend many hours sorting out problems.

New Kevlar hulls are available again and transport to NSW can be arranged.
Peter

How can we contact Jim ?
And do you know how mutch he wants for his mould?

Jim's number is 03 54477700 and sorry no I didn't ask for a price.
Peter

Becjm, I don't know how much Jim wants for his mould, but you can contact him on 03 54479793.
Peter

Hi Matt,

Last Nats. Cat rig placings where 1,3,4,5th all out of the Russel Denholm mould (this is the moulds for new hulls on the Mossie Vic site, commonly called Faye mould). 2nd place was a boat out of the Chris Trewin mould, the only mould built since the Denholm mould, so also has lots of rocker and volume.

Sloop rigs, 1st,3rd. Denholm. 2nd.Trewin. 4,5th. Timber, home built?

Not sure how rocker in Boyer mould compares to original plans, I would imagine it has more. But know where near the Denholm and Trewin moulds.

Regards Gary.
<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Were there any boats there out of the boyer mould?

Hi William,

I forgot about Chris Trewins Mould, this is also a fast shape mould the most recently built, have only seen 2 boats out of this mould but they are both at the front of the fleet. They look more radical in deck shape than the Denholm mould but are similar speed.

Last I heard he had passed them on to another guy from Altona, don't know if any more has happened. I think I have a number for Chris Trewin somewhere, I could chase him up if you want?

Certainly happy to do what I can to get Mossies going In N.S.W. I have sailed up there alot with my old Mossie with Spin, pity you were not around then. Maybe you can make it to Eden in Feb. then you can see how the Vics. fly with kites.

Regards Gary. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Gary
we are planing to get to eden.
Also talking to peter about trying to run another regatter in sydney at the end of the season.
Hopefully get some vic boys up.
Also I hope to grt down to vic soon.
BEN 654

Hi Becjm,

was just replying to question on first 5.

Further placings. Cat rigs Boyers 6,7,8,9,11. For interest more Denholms where mixed amongst 10,12th. Sloop rig Boyer 6,10. Denholm 9. Timber7,8th.

Regards Gary. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Hi Gary

Thanks for that, I remember when we sailed titles a few years ago now, Glen Watson was a front runner, I can't remember the name of the boat (but I can picture it) what make were those do you know?

I remember I did work experience at Boyers, and we were making a plug then (1992 or there abouts) but I'm just trying to think whether they already had a mould in play (I'm pretty sure they did.)

Anywho, I can remember Glen Watson, Ionie Mckenzie, Russell Denholm had boats around the same age, I can only assume these were from the Faye mould then.

<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />Ha, I remember the name of Glens boat, Goin'Off! Ionies was The Power of One, and Russells was either Beast, Beastier or Beastiest, something like that <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Hi Will,



I think the mould was sold or passed onto Phil Bovis. Chris Trewern should have the details. Bloody good hull shape (Bob Wilson and Warrick Kemp) both national title holders.

Regards,

Peter

Glen Watsons boat was the first of the Denholm mould(faye mould)and is now in South Australia this is the same boat Mick Floyd used to win the last National and State titles in sloop rig form.
Ionie Mckenzie The Power of One was a boyer boat and is now owned by Greg plum of victoria.
Russells Denhoms was either a Denholm or(Faye mould)or a timber boat depending on what year.