Typical

I must of drunk so much I don't remember.

TJ

Did you guys do any sailing....or was drinking the order of the day...week...month.??

Please find below the statement of the F16GC in response of the posts above.


To all F16 sailors/members,

In a follow up to the forum issue about the F16 meeting in Zandvoort, we, as the F16 Governing Council (F16GC), think this kind of meeting needs to be held. This is so that we can set issues on paper after the internet discussion and voting. We, as F16GC, believe that you need to have a good organisational structure to run any class in a 'proper' way, otherwise it will have no focus and decision making can lack accountability. This does not mean that we want to skip the whole internet issue and the ablity to vote via the internet. When there is a ballot needed than this will be done via the internet forum, so everybody can read it and discuss it if they want. The final result of the ballot will also be available via the internet.
The F16GC class structure is not being discussed on the internet because we believe there is no value in having this discussed with everybody.
So in conclusion we can say : Class issues where the members need to give their point of view and/or a ballot is needed this will be done via the internet forum, but give us the time to make this happen, we are doing all the groundwork for the class besides our regular work.

With best regards,
Hans Klok
Chairman F16 Governing Council

If voting and discussions are to be done on the internet/forum, what is to be done on the meetings (AGMs?)? I am afraid I dont understand what you mean by "set issues on paper after the internet discussion and voting".

Could you define 'proper' way?

Last two paragraphs are a bit arrogant, at least they come across that way to me. The class structure, which was what made the class interesting to me in the first place, is valuable to me and I am interested in making my opinions heard (which I have). I also believe it to be in the interest of the class and the tradition of the class to run this as an open process. I dont seek a conflict here, but I am expressing my view for what I believe is the best of the F-16 class.

Thanks for spending your time on the class. I really appreciate your dedication.

Sorry for jumping into this a bit late. I have been away for some days without internet access.

Hi Rolf,

I interpret 'proper' as responsible, with due diligence, methodical - and I believe that is what Hans is trying to achieve.

I also know that no arrogance was intended in Hans' post - you'd have to search hard to find a less arrogant guy! When Hans talks about discussions with 'everybody', he means EVERYBODY - not just those who have a direct involvement in the class. And including EVERYBODY in every discussion is not usually productive. There is a lot of work going on in the background with emails and PMs flying back and forth between key people. Once issues have been narrowed down to the point where they can be put to class members, THEN an open discussion or ballot can take place.

As for putting things down on paper, if the class is ever to achieve ISAF recognition, we have to be seen to hold democratic annual meetings and class business correctly recorded.

I'm sure Hans will give you his response too.

I can not say more than John is saying he is saying it right way. We are not going a direction and than loose the way the F16 is started from the beginning but we(F16GC) have to find a good compromise for everything, this is difficult. I think it is also good that other people are keeping an eye on what is happening and they try to keep us awake that we are not going the wrong direction. We are for sure listen to EVERYBODY and that is what we will do in the future to make a class which is stable , proffesional and modern (Internet,forums)

does this mean Wouter didn't have the Bundy? what is the world coming to????? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I'm sorry I didn't expect to have Phill on my couch at 4 am in the morning uploading pictures of the Global Challenge.

I poured him full of cheap rum, but I've seen him work on a single sentence in the daily report for 35 minutes because of it.

Serves me right for not serving him quality stuff !

Wouter

Wouter....stop exaggerating it was 2am......

besides rum only makes him more fluent..!!!

Yes I thought so too, but then I discovered that indeed there is a inversion point, beyond with the effects are reversed.

Wouter