| Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat
[Re: MarkW_F18]
#114712 09/04/07 06:19 PM 09/04/07 06:19 PM |
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 951 Brisbane, Queensland, Australi... ncik
old hand
|
old hand
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 951 Brisbane, Queensland, Australi... | Oh far out, it just keeps getting better!!!
And we wonder why boating isn't a more popular past time, with stories like this, who'd want to be part of it. Noone knows if they're safe on the water, even if they think they know the rules and try to abide by them.
We've had a similar incident on our local bay last weekend. On dusk, it appears as though a small fast power boat ran into a larger slow cruiser resulting in 4? dead. The two debates at the moment are about the age of the skipper of the cruiser and licensing procedures. He was 16, licensed and not under the influence of alcohol, and the only person of 17? on the two boats not injured in the incident. The general opinion is that licensing in our region is a joke that any fool can obtain, you don't even need to know how to tie your boat to a pontoon! | | | Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat
[Re: Will_R]
#114715 09/07/07 03:23 PM 09/07/07 03:23 PM |
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 51 IL, WI, MI BowtieWarrior
journeyman
|
journeyman
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 51 IL, WI, MI | Just a question on the rules of the water way.. be in night or day.. I thougt sailboats had the right of way no matter what! given the fact that They dont have a moter and are dependant on wind!!!
Hobie the only way to fly!
| | | Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat
[Re: BowtieWarrior]
#114716 09/07/07 03:49 PM 09/07/07 03:49 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 733 Home is where the harness is..... Will_R
old hand
|
old hand
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 733 Home is where the harness is..... | That is true, however I think they are attesting that he could not keep clear b/c he didn't see them b/c they didn't have their lights on.
The nearest I can come up with an analogy is this: You're driving down the road at night with your lights off and another car runs a stop sign and you collide. Who is at fault? He could not see you, but he also ran a stop sign.
I've spent a LOT of time boating at night on boat sailboats and large and small power boats... I'll admit... in several cases we've been going a weeeee too fast (70+) and you can't see a lot. Day markers and running lights, but that's about it. You have to be very careful with any lights b/c white lights can easily blend in with lights on shore. So even if their lights were on... it might be difficult to see.
Last edited by Will_R; 09/07/07 03:50 PM.
| | | Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat
[Re: Will_R]
#114717 09/07/07 03:56 PM 09/07/07 03:56 PM |
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 51 IL, WI, MI BowtieWarrior
journeyman
|
journeyman
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 51 IL, WI, MI | agreed Its all weird to me the lakes I have been on at night are DNR controlled at 15 MPH limit and mandatory lights and trust me they are on the lake well past 2 AM looking to get anyone they can!
going 50 at night on the lake I am close to you could not do it for more that 15 seconds and then you still might get a ticked for speeding!
Hobie the only way to fly!
| | | Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat
[Re: BowtieWarrior]
#114718 09/07/07 04:16 PM 09/07/07 04:16 PM |
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 321 Albuquerque NM Banzilla
enthusiast
|
enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 321 Albuquerque NM | Something else that bugs me here is (from I can tell and I may be wrong) it seems that the collision happened somewhat near a marina . Aren't you supposed to go much slower in these areas even if you don't see other boats with or without lights on?
[b] Sail Like you have a Pair
| | | Re: Appalling: Motor boat vs. Sailboat
[Re: sail7seas]
#114722 09/09/07 11:39 AM 09/09/07 11:39 AM |
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 342 Indianapolis, IN - Midwest USA... IndyWave
enthusiast
|
enthusiast
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 342 Indianapolis, IN - Midwest USA... | When assigning blame, they need to ask two questions:
1. If the sailboat's running lights were on, would the woman still be alive?
Answer: Maybe, maybe not. The power boat may have been able to see the sailboat without them, or the powerboat may not have noticed them even if they were on.
2. If the cop had been driving at a SAFE speed, would the woman still be alive?
Answer: Definitely YES. By definition, a safe speed is the speed at which you can avoid a serious accident. Even if the collision had occurred anyway, the damage would have been minimal, and the woman would have survived.
Therefore, the guilt should be left to the juries to decide; but as for charges filed, the crooked cop should have been the first one charged!
A similar case occurred in downtown Indianapolis a few years ago when a joy-riding cop (no lights or siren, maybe even no headlights) blew through a stoplight and killed a kid driving on the cross street. At first the police department claimed he was on a "silent run", till it came out there was no such run dispatched. The cop walked away with no charges filed, because it could not be proven that the kid did not die as a result of negligence on the part of the ambulance technician who treated him! (Completely disregarding the fact that he wouldn't have needed treatment if the cop hadn't creamed him!)
What - Me Worry?
2006 Hobie Wave 7358 "Ish Kabibble"
| | |
|
1 registered members (nutsy),
297
guests, and 31
spiders. | Key: Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod | | Forums26 Topics22,406 Posts267,061 Members8,150 | Most Online2,167 Dec 19th, 2022 | | |