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Looking for a Job, I got credi... | Seems that anything that could be inferred as "anti-F16" gets locked and closed and/or deleted. Why the sudden change?
Macca and TornadoAlive have both said that they are interested in F16s, but before committing to the large expense of a new boat what to find out more about the class direction. They prompted open and animated discussion, but a few of the hard-heads have decided that they don't like
to be questioned and wish to mute debate.
Yes they could go through the official method of requesting a change, but with current attitudes being displayed by some class members this wouldn't achieve much.
The debate about class weights has attracted many potential F16 members who may have been on the sidelines and had similar thoughts.
Rick and Mary, can we remove the moderators and let this forum return back to how it was.
I expect this thread to be deleted or closed promptly. Not much faith in this forum and F16 by current attitudes being displayed by current class members. Don't want their game to be disrupted... Simply put. Macca et al have had their questions answered. They continued to ask the same questions after they had been given the answer. Does anyone else wonder why they keep asking the same question, after they have been given the answer? There is, as you say, an official route to making changes to the class rules. These changes would then be voted on by CLASS MEMBERS and if approved, would become part of the F16 class rules.
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[Re: taipanfc]
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Sebring, Florida. | I believe there is already an "Open Forum" at the top of this page. If you are not a F16 class member and want "Open Debate", I suggest you go there.
This is the "F16 forum", and if it were up to many of us F16 owners, it would be for "F16 Class memebers only".
Are the real trouble makers just some Taipan 4.9 owners who are mad there is now a F16 class? I don't get it. Maybe you need a "Taipan 4.9 forum"? Ask Mary, I'm sure she will add one for you.
Many questions have been asked and answered, so many times over, it is all getting a bit old, considering these guys are not even F16 owners, I think the F16 class members have been more than accomodating here.
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[Re: Timbo]
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Clermont, FL, USA | Timbo, you really don't want this discussion moving to the open forum. And deleting a thread because you don't like its direction or the author, NEVER a good idea. If you can't handle conducting fleet business in an open forum or with non-class members then move it to an email distribution list. But, with your current moderation practices it looks like you're saying 'If you can't think like us(moderators) then piss off'.
Hmmmm.... wonder if this will get deleted...
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Sebring, Florida. | Ding, I agree, I'm not a moderator and I had nothing to do with removing the thread, I was only trying to point out that the subject has been beaten to death. Personally, I prefered to ignor it rather than delete it. And yes, we should have a private, Member's Only forum somewhere but this one is free and easy so... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
I'm sure if I went onto the F18 forum, with no F18, and started asking stupid quesions and argueing with the respondants, for like, 200 posts, I would also be invited to leave, and rightfully so.
Free speach doesn't justify stupid speach or arguements just for the sake of argueing. If anyone has a valid question or concern, fine, that's what this forum is for. But if it's instead a hidden agenda masked as a repeating questions, well, that's another matter alltogether.
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Clermont, FL, USA | Timbo, I agree with you my friend and I'm the first to go for a boot in the nuts, but if you are a leader and in this case the moderators are playing that role you have to take the high road. It's been done and been done nicely even on these forums. Mr. Williams and Tracie Van Houten come to mind. Even our good friend Mr. Karr has done it with some nice results.
You remember Mr. Evans?
And if you went to the F18 forum and started asking silly questions and trashing the class... You're an F16 sailor and we know you just don't know no better. No goofy icon's, you figure it out if I'm joking or not.
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Sebring, Florida. | That's exactly why I was in favor of leaving the thread alone and just ignoring it, that way all can see who the Jackasses are.
You can tell I'm not joking...
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[Re: David Ingram]
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North-West Europe | David,
Nothing is happening to you or your posts right, despite your critique ?
There is a pretty high threshold in place for the moderators to step in. The currently moderated posters had to "work it" hard for over 3 months to get their repeatitive posts locked and deleted. If any of them post a message with a totally unrelated topic to the ones they were disciplined on or in a totally different manner then those posts won't be locked or deleted.
Seems to me that therefor the open discussion is still pretty much supported on this forum.
Wouter
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Clermont, FL, USA | A thread only has life if let it feed. Threads without merit die and the die without being executed. The moment you use bully tactics is when the movement gains credibility.
Because a subject has been beat to death isn't a reason to delete or lock it. We beat dead horses a lot around here. Do you really think we've had our last debate about Global Warming and Handicap vs. F/1D racing.
And yes, it bugs the [censored] out of me when Mary does it too.
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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Annapolis, MD | Do you really think we've had our last debate about Global Warming and Handicap vs. F/1D racing.
ding ding ding.... One more round... Nah!... not right now... BUT I do agree with you completly on this one!
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Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | And, hey, maybe Rick and I will start to bug the class again to allow roller-furling Hooters. But there would be no point if they are going to delete the thread.
Personally, I will miss the weight debate, because I thought the whole discussion was very interesting. | | | Re: So guessing open discussion is taboo?
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Australia | Ok, So i will post here to ensure the thread gets locked or deleted <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> What its still here?? Quick Moderators delete this post <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Hurry up!! | | | Re: So guessing open discussion is taboo?
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Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | Ok, So i will post here to ensure the thread gets locked or deleted Your guess is as good as mine. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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Melbourne, Australia | I believe there is already an "Open Forum" at the top of this page. If you are not a F16 class member and want "Open Debate", I suggest you go there. What we have asked are F16 questions in an F16 Forum. This can be taken to the open forum if you like. Are the real trouble makers just some Taipan 4.9 owners who are mad there is now a F16 class? I don't get it. Maybe you need a "Taipan 4.9 forum"? Ask Mary, I'm sure she will add one for you. Myself and Macca are not Taipan owners. Many questions have been asked and answered, so many times over, it is all getting a bit old, considering these guys are not even F16 owners, I think the F16 class members have been more than accomodating here. If the questions we answered satisfatualy, then it would be end of debate. | | | Re: So guessing open discussion is taboo?
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Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | I'm sorry, I didn't know it would show my post as being deleted. Bad thread for that to happen in. I was just trying not to interrupt the thread with my silly aside about Buccaneer's signature line. I said that mine would be, "It doesn't matter where you are going as long as you get there." (I guess I have a cruising mentality.) Anyway, that is what was deleted, just so you don't think it was something provocative or scandalous. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> It just had nothing to do with the topic of the thread. And now I have made the tangent a lot bigger by having to explain my deletion. Oh, well. (And Corksfloat was not actually responding to me, he was responding to Buccaneer, I think.)
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