The Challenge National 1.04 took place in Lorrient Brittany at the weekend. 30 teams took part with five manufacturers represented; Mattia, Cirrus, Spitfire, Nacra and Hobie. Racing was close and Spitfires took the top two places. This formula seams to work is it a threat to F16?

This have been discussed at length earlier. The 1.04 and the F16 are two distinctly different concepts so the 1.04 is no more a threat than the F18, H16 or the 49er for that sake. We are all promoting catamaran sailing and racing, so talking about a threat is a bit strong.

Who are you by the way? A small introduction would be nice.

I agree with Rolf but would also like to add that F16's have a great advantage in being able to be RACED either 1 or 2 up. So in this regard we are extremely different to nearly every other competitive Catamaran Class.

What does the F16 rate using that system? Is it too light to be in the 1.04 class? Is it 1.02 or something?

Hi Tim
You are correct the SCHRS rating for a 2up F16 is 1.02 add a couple of kilos and bigger sail area to compensate and you end up with the 1.04 rating? add a couple more kilos and even bigger sails and you end up with a F18!!!! Sometimes I think SCHRS is too hung up on weight alone <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

You need to add a LOT of KG to get an F16 to 1.035!

As Rolf said, I would call the 1.04 class a thread.

If you ask which class has bigger growth possibilities towards the future, I'll say the F16.

The reasons are the ones that have been talked about already some times and all come down to the fact that the F16 is a formula class, meaning all boats have equal changes in different conditions. The C104 is nothing but a group of boats having the same rating meaning 16 and 18 feet cats are in, .....

The C104 also claims to be a big class (because they unite a number of existing models), but if you take Carnac for example, the spits raced in a seperate group, bringing the number of C104 down to aproximtely 10 cats racing in C1.
2 remarks:
- why don't the spits race together with them in a separate 104 course?
- there were 5 F16 at Carnac. With no F16 currently in France and manufacturers that can't be compared to Hobie or Nacra concerning quantities sold I think the F16 proves it's spirit.

Gill

How many kilos? I saw a Hobie 16 being raced one up with 35kg of bricks strapped to the middle of the tramp, might be the answer, could knock up a nice pizza oven while sailing. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Darryn
Mozzie
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22.5 kg to make a 2 up F16 rate to 1.035. F104 DOES NOT ALLOW SINGLE HANDING.

I think we should take this to the discussion in General forum. Linky

Can't we add in crew weight, or should I say, over-weight? I've probably got an extra 22 Kilos right here! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Haven't those posts had been deleted?

But I thought that F16 was all for open discussion, no need to try and shut it down straight away.

Do a search on 104 or 1.04 and you will find the topic well covered on this forum. A quick search resulted in over 250 posts.
The 104 is another class like any else in my opinion and as the original poster posted essentially the same message on the open forum..

Hi all,

I too think a little introduction wouldn't hurt. For that matter why do unknown posters keep popping up on the F16 forum talking about classes that they think are threats to F16? As far as I know we don't go on to other class forums declaring F16 to be a threat to them. Do we? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Why should introductions be required? For one thing we are on the internet and user accounts and names can be created at whim. I could create one tomorrow, restart the F16 weight thread and introduce myself with a fabricated/false story and dupe many users. I think take the post on what it says, and by choosing not to comment usually means the thread dies if you don't want to discuss. Simple really, and less confrontational/antagonistic compared to many of the users on this forum who feel compelled to "die by the sword" for F16.

Spitfire top 2 places??? Not what i heard.

Sue xxx

Results:28 cats
1st. place Nacra F17 sloop

Link: http://www.nacraeurope.com/news_details.php?id=101

Rich