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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | ![[Linked Image]](http://sailjuice.squarespace.com/storage/IMG_0904.jpg) Images from Andy's SailJuice blog. The sail has a specific application. If the Tornado series had started a week earlier, the outcome would have been different, and the conclusions just as invalid. Both the Tornado and Star classes had significant equipment differences that, while within the rules, make some people uncomfortable. We'll see if ISAF or the IOC decide there are lessons to be taken away. If the event had been as light as the vast majority of us expected, the US teams in the Star and Tornado might have done much better, which would very likely have led to some serious discussion about "one-design-ness." Now I wonder if those conversations will take place. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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#152208 08/20/08 03:26 PM 08/20/08 03:26 PM |
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Posts: 1,200 Vancouver, BC | Gotta tape those spilt rings folks! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
Mike Dobbs Tornado CAN 99 "Full Tilt"
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#152209 08/20/08 09:15 PM 08/20/08 09:15 PM |
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Posts: 224 Cincinnati, Ohio | So, the tornado, hobie wave, and taipan have all had luck with the chupacabra\code zero\hooter\upwind gennaker. What other classes have been able to pull it off?
I frequent inland lakes that often have light and shifty air. 4-8 knot winds are not uncommon. Could I pull it off on a hobie 16?
More importantly, could it be pulled off on a Mystere 4.3??? And would it be class legal on the 4.3????? Yeah, I'm thinking about buying one.
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#152211 08/20/08 10:39 PM 08/20/08 10:39 PM |
Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay Luiz
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Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay | Both the Tornado and Star classes had significant equipment differences that, while within the rules, make some people uncomfortable. We'll see if ISAF or the IOC decide there are lessons to be taken away. If the event had been as light as the vast majority of us expected, the US teams in the Star and Tornado might have done much better, which would very likely have led to some serious discussion about "one-design-ness." Now I wonder if those conversations will take place. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> One-design may be good for the Olympics, but is incredibly boring. Intelligence and improvement require more space. The most politically correct one-design would be the Optimist. The youngest athletes in the games would deserve a lot of media attention. The Chupacabra reminds me of Eric Tabarly. His open minded developments made him the greatest rule optimizer/bender. The Fastnet winning schooner with an enormous genoa between the masts forced a rule update. The depleted uranium keel forced another one, and the water ballasted solo transpac another. His hydrofoil tri motivated the categorization (does this word exist?) of the transatlantic record to separate monohulls from multihulls. The sea lawyers really had to run to keep up with his pace. None remembers the sea lawyers who fixed the rules after his inovations (and achievements) - but all sailors remember the great man. The Chupacabra is an innovation that Tabarly could have created. He would have loved it. The initiative is admirable of those who developed the sail, as is the courage of those who dared use it. Wining or not. Cheers,
Luiz
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#152212 08/21/08 12:03 AM 08/21/08 12:03 AM |
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Posts: 1,200 Vancouver, BC | Both the Tornado and Star classes had significant equipment differences that, while within the rules, make some people uncomfortable. We'll see if ISAF or the IOC decide there are lessons to be taken away. If the event had been as light as the vast majority of us expected, the US teams in the Star and Tornado might have done much better, which would very likely have led to some serious discussion about "one-design-ness." Now I wonder if those conversations will take place. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> One-design may be good for the Olympics, but is incredibly boring. Intelligence and improvement require more space. The most politically correct one-design would be the Optimist. The youngest athletes in the games would deserve a lot of media attention. The Chupacabra reminds me of Eric Tabarly. His open minded developments made him the greatest rule optimizer/bender. The Fastnet winning schooner with an enormous genoa between the masts forced a rule update. The depleted uranium keel forced another one, and the water ballasted solo transpac another. His hydrofoil tri motivated the categorization (does this word exist?) of the transatlantic record to separate monohulls from multihulls. The sea lawyers really had to run to keep up with his pace. None remembers the sea lawyers who fixed the rules after his inovations (and achievements) - but all sailors remember the great man. The Chupacabra is an innovation that Tabarly could have created. He would have loved it. The initiative is admirable of those who developed the sail, as is the courage of those who dared use it. Wining or not. Cheers, Well Said Luiz! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#152213 08/21/08 09:44 AM 08/21/08 09:44 AM |
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Posts: 206 Yardley PA | One-design may be good for the Olympics, but is incredibly boring. For those who are primarily interested in sailboat technology perhaps OD is boring. For those of us who are interested in the art and science of sailboat racing OD is definitely not boring. | | |
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