Dave,

I don't remember bringing up anything with regard to sponsors. I remember saying how much money I have personally poured into getting myself and my boat ready for the race. Let me get this straight. The reason TVS went "all in" this year is because we want this race to survive and flourish. We felt that by bringing the amount of boats that we're bringing and by offering to handle logistics for new and foreign teams, that we could do our part as participants to ensure this race continues.



I'm not in it for the trophy. I think the ongoing joke is that nobody is really in this race for the trophy. And while you might be scared to think of the money you've spent on sailing, I bet you wouldn't even spend THIS MUCH money on system that you feel is broken - which handicap would be.

No doubt! That douche bag is wicked annoying.

I think his odds of winning are good either way.
So, Dave apparently you want a corrected race.I don't think you need it.But if you want to hedge your odds I can see why you'd want it.
Tawd

I would have to think(and from my own experience) as the wave approaches to form a crest with the two models of cat experiencing the same exact conditions that the 20's longer and heavier bow's would arc it over the back of the wave and make ready for the next set,so I'm not, buying that one Jake. With the emphasis on the point system then should not be broken down even further ie. 5 boats of 15 get offshore Boat A holds the lead and wins,Boat B is 2nd, Boat C has to come ashore with problems and can not continue.D passes C but also breaks down but ahead of C and Boat E gets third.Does D and C get points respectively for at least making an attempt at the leg. Uh Oh, or do you just start handicapping the skipper and crew like golf......

+1

Frankly speaking, the boats weigh the same and the extra 2' is not going to let you bridge between waves in the surf...not the waves we're talking about anyway. The extra bouyancy in the bows serves to pitch the bows up more violently, giving speed stopping drag immediately when the bow hits the wave, and making control significantly more difficult. I've sailed both F18's and N20's through the surf on a regular basis (not so much on the F18 but a fair share). At best, there's no advantage by having a 2' longer boat in the surf. Heck, ask a Hobie 16 sailor whether they would have a Hobie 16 or a Nacra 20 to punch through big surf. I'm not asking you to buy anything - just asking you to believe (or at least respect) that I also have some experience in the matter on both boat platforms.

Out in the open ocean in the rolling waves? Definitely the longer boat with the fat bows has an advantage...but I really don't believe it does in shoulder-high crashing waves at the shore.


(geesh, that political thread has turned me into a son-of-a-bitch).

Welcome to the Bigs.

Score both fleets separately. Ultimately, it's OD racing.

Let's make everyone happy.

1st, 2nd, 3rd for F18
1st, 2nd, 3rd for N20
1st Overall Elapsed Time
1st Overall Corrected Time

I'll even supply the trophies...

Mike ,
I agree 100% ,even posted it in one of the other poll/threads.
Todd

Now how can you say no to that!

you absolutely cannot!

done deal for me

NO!

There, see? That's how. Completely ineffective and high douche-factor, but it CAN be done.

Mike Krantz is an appeaser. And my hero.

For your consideration, I scored a Formula 18 against a Nacra 20 for a one-hour elapsed race using the Portsmouth, Texel and SCHRS ratings systems. Here are the results:

SCHRS Corrected Results:
Formula 18 – 59:42
Nacra 20 – 1:03:54
Nacra 20 owes Formula 18 4:12 per hour

Dixie Portsmouth Corrected Results:
Formula 18 – 1:36:09
Nacra 20 – 1:41:11
Nacra 20 owes Formula 18 5:02 per hour

Texel Corrected Results:
Formula 18 – 0:59:24
Nacra 20 – 1:03:09
Nacra 20 owes Formula 18 3:45 per hour

Carry on...

No wonder those F18 guys love their P number...and nobody kept times at Tradewinds so there is no data from that to try to adjust anything in the I20, A, F18 or F16 fleets, right?

There's those 5 seconds!

Let's go with TEXEL!!!!

That's odd. For some reason all the F18 guys want DPN and the N20 guys want Texel. I wonder what will happen.

Odd indeed.