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Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: Wouter] #181389
06/08/09 02:42 PM
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And to further the legendary status of this Wave sailor. The sun was starting to go down and the conversation at the club went something like:
"That guy bought it a week ago."
"Uh oh! Should we keep the skiff rigged just in case?"
"Naw, he's alright, the guys a San Francisco Bar Pilot. It's just going to take a while."
"Cool, let's go get some rum."

Good to see you up there Skipshot!

cool

J

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Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: Wouter] #181390
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That pic was early in the race . My boom is still straight. Its nice when you order the parts you broke racing before you hit the beach. The Surf City on the water order forms are available at the skiff.


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Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: F-18 5150] #181392
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I should get a 'Take a Number" thing for the side of the skiff.

Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: SurfCityRacing] #181397
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Does he charge "beach prices" for the stuff? :P

Mike charges "beach prices" for all his spares. $5 for a ring ding, $50 for a shackle :P

All debts are forgiven with rum though smile

Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: ThunderMuffin] #181398
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Gimme some more rum and parts to get me running again, the convienience is usually worth getting back on the water again!

Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: Clayton] #181402
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You buy me a rum and I'll probably forget to charge you anyway laugh

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Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: SurfCityRacing] #181408
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Wait at Wet n Wild a few years ago I gave you a half gallon and come home to an invoice. WTF ?
Seriously thanks if you weren't chasing I probably would have never done it.


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Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: F-18 5150] #181413
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Originally Posted by hobie18rich
Wait at Wet n Wild a few years ago I gave you a half gallon and come home to an invoice. WTF ?
Seriously thanks if you weren't chasing I probably would have never done it.


No worries Rich. I think if the general public saw sailboat racing from my vantage point, they would definitely get into it. Events like this have the ability to do wonders for cat racing. Several people came up to me at the club and made the standard comments like, "I sailed a Hobie 16 back in the day..." But then several people added, "I never realized how fast those spnnaker rigged cats go, I've only seen them sitting on the beach". One guy even said, "It's f*****ing incredible how fast those things are downwind". So there was definitely an air of amazement.

One slight thing, and I almost hesitate to initiate this here, but I think it needs to be addressed. We need to look at the charts a little better. Several people sailed in a restricted zone, and i think I motored into it as well. It started to turn into a pissing match over on SA and I spent the morning PMing the accusers to keep it on the positive. They deleted or edited their posts. (Thanks guys). No biggie, **** happens, as liaisons for the catamaran community venturing into the monohull racing world we have to dot our Is and cross our Ts a little more than most. The accused have called the RC and accepted their DSQ.

More pics here:
http://surfcityracing.smugmug.com/gallery/8478973_BctiB#557558787_3U4B8

J

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Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: SurfCityRacing] #181418
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I'm not surte if it was me or not that crossed into the channel. They said it was a 22?? boat so I said if it was me I was sorry and accept the hit. I can't get my gps cable to down load. and the new cable is more than i paid for the gps.


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Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: F-18 5150] #181456
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I just recieved word that It was not my sail in question.


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Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: SurfCityRacing] #181486
06/09/09 06:46 AM
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Pardon me highlighting the following comments but they do really show why H16's and "brand only" are not the future to catamaran sailing. And why the "dude boats" (a misnomer in my opinion) and mixed regatta's are.

I quote :


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Events like this have the ability to do wonders for cat racing.

Several people came up to me at the club and made the standard comments like, "I sailed a Hobie 16 back in the day..." But then several people added, "I never realized how fast those spnnaker rigged cats go,

...

One guy even said, "It's f*****ing incredible how fast those things are downwind". So there was definitely an air of amazement.



There was a time when either had their day, but those days are gone and we can't get them back by doing what we always did.

A new playbook is required and it will be really helpful when all cat builders are on board with that.

Wouter

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Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: Wouter] #181501
06/09/09 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Wouter
Pardon me highlighting the following comments but they do really show why H16's and "brand only" are not the future to catamaran sailing. And why the "dude boats" (a misnomer in my opinion) and mixed regatta's are.

I quote :


Quote

Events like this have the ability to do wonders for cat racing.

Several people came up to me at the club and made the standard comments like, "I sailed a Hobie 16 back in the day..." But then several people added, "I never realized how fast those spnnaker rigged cats go,

...

One guy even said, "It's f*****ing incredible how fast those things are downwind". So there was definitely an air of amazement.



There was a time when either had their day, but those days are gone and we can't get them back by doing what we always did.

A new playbook is required and it will be really helpful when all cat builders are on board with that.

Wouter


Wouter, I'm assuming you're referencing the Hobie 16 when you say: 'There was a time when either had their day, but those days are gone and we can't get them back by doing what we always did.' I have to disagree, the Hobie 16 has done and still does exceptionally well with an OD philosphy and as an OD class, they also seem to be pretty happy with their class.

The H16 class consistantly get's numbers at almost every regatta I attend and if we are measuring success by numbers it clearly shows the model works.

Your constant poo pooing of OD racing is as tiresome as my hardon for hanidcap racing, let's both take a break.

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Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: David Ingram] #181505
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Ding,

I was saying that a class like the Sunfish had their day and even though that class still has sizeable OD events it is not the future of dinghy sailing.

That is not poo-pooing, that is looking honestly at the situation at hand.

Any statements otherwise will only delay us unnecessarily in getting back on track.

You don't fight the next war in a Sherman tank or P-51 mustang either.

I admit that is a cold harsh truth but I too didn't make the world that way.

Wouter

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Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: Wouter] #181508
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Mr Ingram Mr Wouter,
No arguing in this thread about one design formula ect. This was an awesome event attended by 9 F-18's 2 20's and a Wave. Over 100 miles traveled and some great runs reaches and an great dinner and party with great bands at a great location. The race is run what ya brung but you need to have a certificate to be scored. The f-18 fleet was orginized and conducted very well. Capricorn taking line honors followed by 7 tigers.

If you have a spin rig cat and your on the west coast this is the race to try your hand at distance racing. F-18's we're looking for more than 20 next year, it is the 20th annual. June 12, 2010 Do the Ditch or stay home like a B-^*h. We already have one chase boat lined up for the cat fleet, this year we had 3 beach chase vehicles too. Got a spin come on down register early nacra hobie ahpc prindle and any other I missed , Sail it.


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Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: F-18 5150] #181520
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That's it! I'm posting monohull pictures until you guys can settle down a bit!

Go here to ruin a thread.

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cool

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Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: SurfCityRacing] #181521
06/09/09 11:07 AM
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Jesus... Jeremy went with the nuclear option...


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Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: SurfCityRacing] #181526
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Originally Posted by SurfCityRacing
That's it! I'm posting monohull pictures until you guys can settle down a bit!

Go here to ruin a thread.

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cool

J





roflmao laugh


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Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: SurfCityRacing] #181533
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Thank you Jeremy for getting the thread back on track with that kind of threat!

Personally I was expecting to do this regatta then say no more I have done it once and that is fine. That did not happen. As soon as Eileen and I finished the race we were planning on how to make it easier next year, logistically and sailing-wise. Though sailing-wise I did not expect it to be as comfortable as it was. Every F18 that I talked with after the finish had a great time. I think we will all do it again and will be able to talk it up to 15 (maybe 20) next year.

We (me, John W, Pease and others) will put a nice package of information together for the participants next year to make it easier. Information like how to handle autos and trailers, how to get around the course, conditions to expect, supplies to bring and so forth.

As I mentioned in an earlier post this was a "soft" long distance race. Meaning that with the chase boat, Jeremy and the trailers of Daisy and Frank, we were all pretty sure everything would be okay. Easing the sailors minds definitely made the fun factor go way up!

Thank you all, Sailors Support and RC for a great weekend!

Later,
Dan

Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: Dan_Delave] #181535
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As a cat AND Monohull sailor, I'm offended that you'd use a picture of a fine mono to derail the fine discussion going on.

Re: Delta Ditch Run. [Re: ThunderMuffin] #181537
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There's nothing "fine" about that monohull! Don't you understand ratios??
Duh.


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