| A little lesson for us... #182606 06/22/09 05:53 PM 06/22/09 05:53 PM |
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Posts: 749 Santa Cruz, CA | The local beach down here has had about 25 spaces to park cats for the past 20 years or so, and it has been recently shut down. All of the boats have had to move due to one incident. A few weeks ago an extreme high tide and a large south swell came up and washed a boat into the rocks. There was moderate hull damage. It's a known fact that during conditions like that it's best to set an anchor down the beach or better yet move the boat off of the sand and into the iceplant. Easy. And the warning is stated in the paperwork when you sign up for a spot. Several other boats set anchors and were fine. Apparently, and this is info from (a source) I haven't been in contact the boat's owner to find out his side of the story, but the owner went straight to the city offices all pi**** off threatening to sue and whatnot. The city, like chef Ramsey on Hell's Kitchen said, "Shut it down!" And that's what they did. Gone forever. The moral of the story: If you go around threatening to sue people, you might just bum out a really cool thing.
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#182617 06/22/09 07:37 PM 06/22/09 07:37 PM | andrewscott
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we are having to get permits for limited overnight parking, and getting new rules signed into law on july 2
But i should add the town has been very accommodating, and working with us.
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD Mark Schneider
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Beach Access is not a right... it's a privilege... and you probably have to pay for that privilege.
Our state park overlooked that requirement for Insurance liability coverage for them for the 36th annual regatta. This year they did not overlook that detail.. 800 bucks later they were covered but the cost of the game just went up for the sailors.
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#182627 06/22/09 10:28 PM 06/22/09 10:28 PM |
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Posts: 39 | Absolutely get in there and bring the rest of the fleet while the iron is hot.Sorry snieder I disagree with the privilage thing.They tried to dump the cats in Delray because of one guy with an ego,there was a camp-out system in place for 20 spaces ,a few guys went in to fight to save thier right to sail, not only did they not shut it down they raised it to 60 spaces.It could have gone the other way because the main complaint was homeowners did not want to see the masts across the road.We have had loads of scenarios where boats were not tied down or not tied down correctly during high tides ,freak swells and storms from Hurricanes.Sounds like this beach is in a commercial zone also where no real private damage can occur being across from the Ice factory.You have a natural right to use the beach it is not a privilage
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Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD Mark Schneider
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Sure... Use the beach... I agree.
Store your boat on the beach... I don't think so. They have marinas and Yacht Clubs and public launches for that.
Some places allow storage on public property for local reasons ... Obviously it's a privilege because they tossed the cats off willy nilly, at the first provocation. The natural right argument did not hold much water when it came to boat storage.
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#182637 06/23/09 02:18 AM 06/23/09 02:18 AM |
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Posts: 757 japan | there is/was a carpark next to the thames in london that had signs all over it warning that during a spring tide and/or strong hurricane winds the whole place would flood
every time it did there were cars parked on it by people who said they didn't realise and complained
don't think they got very far...
sounds like your public service is a little broken
but i think we can all be proud of our broken public services in some respect
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#182644 06/23/09 04:57 AM 06/23/09 04:57 AM |
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Personally I would consider contacting the other water users like the Kayakers and organise a very well thought out "drive" (don't want to write campaign) to get the beach access reinstated. It may just succeed after the local government feels satisfied that they have set an example. You may have to propose to form an club around that particular spot where you guys form a board and descipline your own members. Of course, not a single non-member will be allowed to park and launch there, that will be a key feature of any proposal to get it reinstated. This is what we have done overhere when it comes to kite surfing etc after a few incidents.
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#182665 06/23/09 08:50 AM 06/23/09 08:50 AM | andrewscott
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Unregistered | Absolutely get in there and bring the rest of the fleet while the iron is hot. Even when it's important.... it can be hard to get the people to get involved.. I have been working for months (and also last year when it came up) with the local city attorney and parks dept. to get the newly proposed ordnances relaxed (from 2 over-nights a month to 2 nights a week). I have kept about 15 local cat sailors informed of the status (and for input). when it went to city hall last week, and we had our ONLY chance to speak up... only a handful showed up ... and only 2 (myself included) actually spoke at the meeting... even though this is to preserve our ability to overnight park / camp on the islands.. it still didn't motivate the masses it would dramatically effect. I think it is completely a privilege, and i expect as soon as someone gets hurt/sued it will end. | | | Re: A little lesson for us...
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#182666 06/23/09 08:52 AM 06/23/09 08:52 AM | andrewscott
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Posts: 5,525 | There is no public access in southwest Florida. To sail, I have to drive 2 hours to Gulfport.
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#182705 06/23/09 01:10 PM 06/23/09 01:10 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | Actually, Pete, there are plenty of places to launch here in Naples. The problem, of course, is that you aren't allowed to park your trailer anywhere. I've seen plenty of cats up and down the beach with mast-up storage. I suspect most are rentals or private ones in front of the beach houses. Guess I need to figure out a "roof rack" on my SmartCar that can handle an N20 
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Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine | Guess I need to figure out a "roof rack" on my SmartCar that can handle an N20 Or a short-range, collapsible trailer that could be put up there. | | | Re: A little lesson for us...
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Posts: 1,152 tampa, fl | Guess I need to figure out a "roof rack" on my SmartCar that can handle an N20 That's not a Smartcar, it's the Barbie and Ken Dream-mobile that's taking up all your man-space. Your kids probably don't want you driving it!
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