Crikey Wouter!
Could you please stop feeding the troll /and/ crapping all over other classes.

GBR6, sorry you that your nice and positive thread got hijacked.

Can someone PLEASE take Wouter's keyboard away???

What did you expect from macca? Right out of the box he gave away his true intentions...

"Not that I am here to stir [censored] but..."

and then later...

"I stir because I am"

Why you guys keep taking the bait is beyond me...LOL

400 thread count or ???
Boy that would be fun to race! so far i have raced against robbie 2 times.. lets just say.. i never saw him after the starts..

Macca,

As you appear to believe that 20kg does not matter, how about you get the A class to add 15kg (about the same %) to their all up weight! If you can do this, and do the same in the F18 fleet I'll support you in adding 20kg to the F16 min weight.

Lets discuss this again when the A class is sailing at 90kg and the F18 at 195kg.

*laughs*

Simon!
I think your keyboard needs 'fixing' with a lumphammer too!!!.............

I have a better suggestion: How about I take an F16 and add 20kg to it and see how it goes.... O hang on.... That would be a Viper! And guess what??!! its still faster than all the other F16's!!

I do not thing ANYONE needs to say anymore until the A is at 90kg and the F18 at 195.

Please stop this, it is soooooooooo useless.

What about strapping 20kgs to macca?
I think he is just bored now that he is back in Oz.

Please stop this. It is helping nobody to go on with it.

Wouter finally comes back and you all tell him to stop banging away at his keyboard! Really, there hasn't been much going on here in terms of chatter and posts for the past few months. Thought i saw some tumbleweeds roll through the forum the other day.

not to mention.... he made the most sense of anyone in addressing the issue of min boat weight.

This thread is like a train crash in progress... you don't want to watch but can't help yourself

Now that right there, is funny!!!!!

I'm quite happy qith my F16 at 104kg; YOU appear to be the one that believes thatr 20kg does not matter; thus get the A's and F18's to add it first. You do that, I WILL TABLE A CLASS RULES AMENDMENT.

Surely if 20kg does not matter, it should be easy for you to get the A's and F18's to add it.

Talk to me when you've done it and I'll put the amendment forward.

All the F16 sailors I know are quite happy with the boat weight where it is. Get another class to change theirs, I'm sure, if it's true they will just change their all up weight for you.

Guys without wishing to fan the flames but there is something which we all seem to be ignoring. Should we consider that the F18 has a very very soft handicap rating for such a refined boat. I use the word refined as in it has had a whole load of money thrown at its designs and is now on its about 10th ( or more ) iteration.

In all truth, if the F16's after the equivalent development funding and race refinement that the F18's have had, doesn't live up to its predicted handicap then we may have to think again ( about 10 nano seconds for me , I ain't pushing 125kgs up the slipway when I don't have to ).

Hi,
i'm the French AHPC dealer, and could say that weight of the Viper is around 130 kg.
You could look on AHPC website or my one, weight is write at 129 kg.

It is certains, if it'll be possible to made the same boat but only 107 kg, it'll be faster. A lot ? I think not, but it'll be faster.

Only for build a Viper as stiff than now but with a weight of 107 kg, it must be full carbon, and it cost perraps 25 000 €.

My view is are we agree for F16 will be expensive boats or not ?

If yes, all is agree, if not without change we take a risk.

Francis

Salut Francis! Bienvenue sur le forum. All, Francis is a A cat sailor, he is the french distributor for not only AHPC but also Bimare. He's the guy you need to talk to if you want a special F16 build from a bimare X16...

And if you need any hardware at a nice price in Europe, he can deliver to, I'm a satisfied customer. Great service.