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F18 logo #199224
12/19/09 11:21 PM
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I am looking for the F18 logo that we are suppose to attach one meter from the clew of the mainsail.

Ive seen various photos but I cant make out what is the text that is in the lines under the F18. Does it say Formulae 18 Catamaran? Is that particular text required?

The class rules call for the F18 logo, but what is the F18 logo? Where can I find this image?

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Re: F18 logo [Re: Robi] #199229
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The logo is suppose to come with the sail's measurement certificate.

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Tony's right, Robi. Get Ding to measure your boat and I'll send you the stickers.


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Not for me guys, I just wanted to have the drawing so I can cut up some decals.

I am clearly aware they are suppose to be included with the measurement certificate etc etc.

These will be done for cars, sail boxes etc.

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Originally Posted by John Williams
Tony's right, Robi. Get Ding to measure your boat and I'll send you the stickers.
I was under the impression all Capricorns are certified through the dealer.

My boat must be measured all of a sudden?

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You have a measurement certificate that is mostly filled out. However, your 2006 cut mainsail isn't legal anymore unless it has had a trim at the top, which requires a new measurement. Your certificate has to be sent to the class measurer (yours truly) along with the appropriate fee; then you get certified and sent your stickers. Easy squeezy.


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Originally Posted by John Williams
You have a measurement certificate that is mostly filled out. However, your 2006 cut mainsail isn't legal anymore unless it has had a trim at the top, which requires a new measurement. Your certificate has to be sent to the class measurer (yours truly) along with the appropriate fee; then you get certified and sent your stickers. Easy squeezy.
Werent all the Alter Cup boats mainsail cut down to class size? If not I will definitely look into being class legal.

I got your number I will give you a buzz, once I hear back from Jill.

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I *think* so, but if it were trimmed and the certificate not revised, you're still on the hook to have a measurer put a tape on it.

If you got a new boat in a box, the filled-out certificate was inside the end of the rigging box with the checklist, your shirts, and the packing list. If you bought the boat after Alter Cup, fear not - Goodall keeps all certificates in e-format, too. You just might have to check some things over if you made any modifications. For example, I had to re-weigh when I put the SNU on, then had to re-weigh AND re-measure after I broke a spin pole. Keeping your certificate current is an easy thing, and it will pay off huge when you walk past the line of people waiting at the Championship, straight to the bar. cool


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Originally Posted by John Williams
I For example, I had to re-weigh when I put the SNU on, then had to re-weigh AND re-measure after I broke a spin pole.


how would anyone know you changed the spin pole? is your stamped with a f18 logo? I broke mine last season and have not re-measured as there is no authority in my state as yet.


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It broke at a regatta when we were out front - no hiding that. I built a new pole from scratch - bought a 24-foot stick of thicker-walled aluminum, cut it and anodized it to make two new poles. The diameter in the US is Imperial rather than metric like the stock pole. In any case, the rule says that if you change anything, you need to update your certificate. Since I've been one of the cheerleaders behind trying to get the North American Class up-to-date on the rule (I had the only certified boat in the USA for some time), I would have felt pretty foolish if someone nailed me on an infraction of the very rule I was promoting.


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Originally Posted by Dazz

how would anyone know you changed the spin pole? is your stamped with a f18 logo?


You would know, shouldn't that be enough?


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Originally Posted by John Williams
the rule says that if you change anything, you need to update your certificate.


Well the line would have to be drawn somewhere... your not going to measure the boat because you changed the sheets or a new tiller extension.

it would be a tad pedantic to remeasure the boat during a series when you go from light weather battens to heavy!

i can see where your coming from though.

out of curiosity how did your pole break?


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JW... how much does it cost to annodize such a pole?

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Originally Posted by Dazz
Originally Posted by John Williams
the rule says that if you change anything, you need to update your certificate.


Well the line would have to be drawn somewhere... your not going to measure the boat because you changed the sheets or a new tiller extension.

it would be a tad pedantic to remeasure the boat during a series when you go from light weather battens to heavy!

i can see where your coming from though.

out of curiosity how did your pole break?


We don't measure the sheets or the tiller extension that is included in the all up weight, the spin pole does have a very specific measurement.

It would also be in your best interest to know if your light air battens allow your all up platform to make weight. It would be unfortunate to get challenged and then flicked for a relatively minor infraction.


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Changing rigging, as Dave says, does not require re-measuring, but would be caught at an event where all-up weight is being checked, like the regional and national championships. My 2006 boat was a touch light, so I didn't worry about adding the hardware needed to install a separate tack line - the next time we weighed in (Pensacola 2008) I was still just under 180 kg, IIRC.

Todd - I did a bunch of hunting around until I found someplace that could dip something longer than a car bumper. For clear anodizing, it is about $100 to dip whether it is one pole or ten. Sometimes, if you're patient, you can get in with another batch. It pays to spend the time chatting up the girl who writes the invoices and schedules the jobs. I know you have a good source for poles, as well.

Dazz - the stopper on the spin bridle came loose because I'd gone to a smaller-diameter, slick-finished line. Happened to me at Alter Cup this year, too. AHPC has subsequently changed the way the bridle attaches. After my personal sprit broke, I changed to a double-stopper deal that has worked fine.

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At the NZ Tornado Worlds, the measurer walked around during the event with a tape doing random checks of sprits.



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