Here's a link to the Yachts and Yachting daily Reports for Texel

Unrelated, but worth mentioning: Macca sits at position 52 out of 63 in the Texel open. A poor showing really.

I guess the weight of his F18 was not enough to prevent failure of his Nacra hardware (I thought he said he was no longer sailing for Nacra?), as he has a 18th finish, a dns and the rest dnc. Maybe a lighter better designed boat would have resisted the elements better.

For the uninitiated, what I'm doing here is called trolling, aka posting a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument. Watch this space.

I disagree with you. It is not worth mentioning and your sarcasm stoops below the belt. This kind of posting only poisons our class as a bunch of misfits, when most of us do not participate in this kind of snide remarks.

We all have bad days regardless of equipment and skill.

Agreed,

Some things are better said or thought in private or among friends.

There is no point in celebrating the bad luck of any given sailor in public (no matter how much we all dislike said person due to his other activities)

Wouter

You Guys are trying to sink the boot into Macca again, and ingnoring the fact that 2 F16s are in the Top Ten at the Dutch open.

I think its great to see the lighter crews with a boat that is competitive with the bigger boats. Handicap racing or not, they will be beating most of them accross the line. Just awesome.

I was actually working up to report that fact, but you have beaten me to it.

Great show indeed, especially with the conditions.

Wouter

With this single post you do more harm to your class than Macca with 100.
If there are so many moderators for this forum, I am wondering why this thread isn't deleted

I think it's called giving as good as it takes and I think, hope really hope that Macca improves.
"WARNING"
Don't take the above comment the wrong way, I started this thread to identify how well F16's are doing. Also because I like to read race reports and thought you might too.
jeeze.......chill......it's the weekend and two days worth of racing to look forward to (Welsh Cat Champs) the F16 TT has been abandoned due to lack of interest!

Dudes, chill. As I said in the post (writing it white on white to make it less obvious) this was a successful attempt at trolling.

And to get back on topic, yes, putting olympic sailors on F16 raises the level quite a lot. Considering the conditions I'm suitably impressed by their performance!

I think the damage and disruption you are creating is more negative for the group you are supposed to be supporting.

But, carry on by all means! Saves me the trouble

So prophetic.

Listen people it is pretty normal in English banter that if someone openly puts themselves out in front of their peers by extolling them of their " greatness " that when that person screws up, as inevitiably these sort of peole do, the peer group then duely kicks them firmly in the goollies and puts the boot in wherever they can.

If Macca wants to create an image of being a godlike prophetical creature then he has to live up to expectations of the masses.

So as people thought Macca; you just come to this forum to make trouble. Nice.

And when have I ever Claimed greatness?? I simply don't agree with some if you when it comes to the current rule set.

But if you think it's justified to yet again attack me personally for not agreeing with you then like I said, carry on. It is really only doing your cause harm with such an attitude.

Who would want to buy an f16 at the moment when the vocal ones in the group are so aggressive towards anyone who has an opposing view?

Looking at the Texel Open results the most astonishing result was 5th place by Brett Burvill and Ryan Duffield on an F18. They aren't professional sailors and I think they were sailing the Edge design by Windrush Yachts in Perth Western Australia. It's new and very low volume production so far. Can anyone confirm what they were sailing?

BTW is there any significance to the Vipers being entered as Viper and not F16?

Macca that diatribe is self delusional. The only reason we are particularly vocal in regards yourself is the fact that you won't listen to reason from the masses, you have a particular point which you persist in making and have done now for many years despite those in the class who actually own and sail F16's disagreeing with you. Its an argument you will never win and can only harm your career in the sailing world. Let it rest and see where the class goes, you maybe be vindicated, you may not.

Its the usual taking the softer 104 handicap, IMO it does them no favours in the longer term but on the other hand, what fantastic results they seem to be getting.

Ah - OK. Guess it's good marketing to appeal to the largest possible audience. Texel apart from being a great looking event seems to be a marketing showpiece. Looks like a must do event if you can get to Europe.

And how would it do them any harm whatsoever if they run the legitimate handicap for their boat at a handicap event?

If anything it harms the credibility and growth of F16 as a legitimate class if the biggest builder in the class is not interested in representing their boat as a F16 but as a 104.

But with people in F16 such as you Wayne, can you blame them?

Is it true that all these yappy F16 sailors are secretly in love with Macca? Seems like the only plausible explaination for their fixation.

I have no problem with them running a 104 handicap but then please take off the F16 logos and advertising from the boat, by all means set up a manufacturers class but please when the F16's enter a manufacturers mixed comp by ballasting up to weight, then don't cry fowl.

Equally I think every F18 and every boat on the course should get a measurment certificate and have their own individual rating as that also would be the fairest way for all.

As to a manufacturer being put off by one individual on an internet forum, shucks they must be very soft pussies.