| Re: HOW could the America's Cup support your particular Class
[Re: Mark Schneider]
#239611 11/01/11 02:18 PM 11/01/11 02:18 PM |
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Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay | They could build a small fleet of F12s so kids would race before the main events. There are a few designs available almost for free. This would jump start the class of cats for kids that is needed to produce new catsailors. Check the F12 forum here.
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[Re: Mark Schneider]
#239616 11/01/11 03:06 PM 11/01/11 03:06 PM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | And/or get both Hobie and Nacra to provide some boats (Waves and N450's) for an event just prior to the AC events, but have the kids (who don't know how to sail cats) sail with some of the AC crews, two up, and have some sort of team racing, ie. ETN vs. Oracle, etc., round robin, and as Craig mentioned above, winners go on board the big AC cats.
After the regatta, you sell the Waves and 450's to the Bay area Yacht Clubs so they can start a kids fleet.
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[Re: Timbo]
#239713 11/03/11 02:54 PM 11/03/11 02:54 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD Mark Schneider OP
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A few reminders for this game
The AC Corp is not wanting to sponsor regattas that their sailors also compete in... They are focused on moving the AC into the mainstream... They don't see how sponsoring a worlds regatta... even for the sailors who race the AC will move their agenda..
So... they are not a charity and they are very focused!
We need synergy that works for them and us!
No need to focus on youth sailing... My understanding is that the San Fran requested the youth component as part of the deal to get the waterfront... The youth factor is a constant in all of our sailing goals.
The AC corporation is promoting their event.... they would be looking for ideas that move their agenda ...
What is the synergy and partnership opportunities? (I admit it is a tough challenge)
Thanks for playing!!!!
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[Re: Mark Schneider]
#239714 11/03/11 03:09 PM 11/03/11 03:09 PM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | They want to move Billionair Yacht Racing into the "Mainstream" but don't want to promote youth sailing?
"The AC corporation is promoting their event.... they would be looking for ideas that move their agenda ..."
OK, so have them use an oval race course and crash them into each other at top speed, throw in some type of fire, and maybe have a few of them die in the process...then Joe Sixpack, that fat butt who sits on the couch every Sunday drinking Miller Light, will watch it.
Otherwise, I don't see a whole lot of Mainstream in it.
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[Re: Mark Schneider]
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Posts: 5,525 | "They want to move Billionair Yacht Racing into the "Mainstream" but don't want to promote youth sailing?"
I'm sure they wouldn't object to billionaire utes.
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#239719 11/03/11 03:14 PM 11/03/11 03:14 PM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | "They want to move Billionair Yacht Racing into the "Mainstream" but don't want to promote youth sailing?"
I'm sure they wouldn't object to billionaire utes. That's funny, I don't care who you are! What are Trump's kids up to these days, or are they too old?
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[Re: Mark Schneider]
#239751 11/04/11 12:51 PM 11/04/11 12:51 PM |
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Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay | They are focused on moving the AC into the mainstream... What is the synergy and partnership opportunities? For less than USD 80.000,00 they can have two dozen F12s to make a junior AC before each race with the 24 (or 48) best sailors (cres) of 24 schools of each venue of the AC circuit. A boy/girl crew under 15 is suggested. Optionals: - Donate one F12 (about USD 3,000 cost)to the school that brings more supporters to the venue. - F12s can be as similar to the AC45 as desired. - AC teams may sponsor a few F12s with their colors/sponsor names. - Make 24 wings for the event F12s, so they are exactly like the AC45. Do not donate the wings, just a normal F12, to reduce cost. This would: a) Foster (cat) sailing at kids level before the event. b) Start the event a couple of weeks earlier at local level, for schools will have a preliminary race or regatta to select their representatives. c) Give something local to write about for the local press. d) Atract to the venue kids from 24 schools (with their parents, probably). e) Associate the AC to kids and education. f) Jump start the F12 class in each AC venue. g) Probably make a profit by seling F12s to (wealthy) schools and parents, for the preliminary trials and after the event.
Luiz
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[Re: Tony_F18]
#239841 11/08/11 09:01 AM 11/08/11 09:01 AM |
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Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay | I really like what the French are doing with their youth sailing centers, I'm convinced that this is the way to get as much kids sailing as possible. Donating a single boat to a school, I dont see how that would work.
Having a professional sailing center where you can have regattas, coaching, and facilities like a lunchroom, showers, lockers.
Thanks, you are correct. The effect of donating one cat is negligible and adequate sailing schools are the best investment to foster sailing, hands down. I just see more sinergy and results arising from the association of the AC45 circuit with school kids racing cats, than with making AC management somehow invest in sailing schools. I guess you'll agree that donating one cat after 48 kids from 24 schools raced in that class in front of their parents and colleagues during an AC event is not the same as a simple donation. My take is that it would significantly increase the possibility that more boats are sold the same day and while the AC circus remains in town. Suppose you are one of the kids who won the right to represent your school, just raced a cool cat that looks like an AC45, watched the AC45 race, the other school got one of those cats, dad will not buy an AC45, but could probably spare $3.000 so you can race against the guys from the other school. Will you want one? If there are a few F12 kits available right there, ready to take cartop home, would you try to get one on spot? It is like allowing kids to race karts before an Indy race and then offer the karts for sale. It's actually better: it is the AC45 circuit, they don't race every second weekend like Indy, dad just cannot postpone to the other weekend... This is all guesswork, obviously, but it is easy enough to ask a professional dealer what he thinks of the concept and if it could work for the cats he sells. If he gives a thumbs up, allow him to organize a preliminary race with his choice of cat and then offer the boats for sale during the AC45 event. If it works with adults from clubs buying expensive cats, it will work even better with school kids parents buying affordable cats - and it will certainly project a better image: not just using the event to sell boats, but to promote an eco-friendly sport among school kids. Critics, comments and suggestions are welcome. Let's improve the proposal.
Luiz
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#240260 11/17/11 08:24 PM 11/17/11 08:24 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD Mark Schneider OP
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