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| Catamaran of course but then what?
Mega yacht, high tech everything?
Something more traditional like a Wharram Pahi?
ultra efficient beach cat type?
For me it would be roughly the size of the Tiki 21, minimal accomodations optimized for one person, and easily broken down for storage and transport. Performance close to a modern spin boat of course!
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Northfield Mn Karl_Brogger
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Northfield Mn | Any boat you don't have to make the payments on, store, or maintain. Size, number of hulls, and power source are irrelevant.
I'm boatless.
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uk | Catamaran of course but then what?
Mega yacht, high tech everything?
Something more traditional like a Wharram Pahi?
ultra efficient beach cat type?
For me it would be roughly the size of the Tiki 21, minimal accomodations optimized for one person, and easily broken down for storage and transport. Performance close to a modern spin boat of course! F22 it is then. What colour do you want?
Paul
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Palm Harbor, FL daniel_t
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Palm Harbor, FL | Cool, I just went through this exercise... Here were my criteria for buying a boat. (not in order.)
1. Designed to handle well both 1-up (main alone) and 2-up (main and jib.) (I define this criteria by the speed of the boat being comparable in either configuration. i.e., the Texel ratings are about the same.) I sail alone about half the time and especially when racing, but when my wife is on board, she wants to be a crew member, not a passenger.
2. Has asym-spinniker. I just like the way they look.
3. Light weight, easy to handle on land, possible for one person to rig/derig. I do most of the work on my own.
4. Optimized for a 1-up crew of about 70kg, 2-up crew of about 120kg. We are pretty small people by Western standards.
5. Faster than a Hobie 16. If I want to go slower, I can just use the boats at my local sailing center.
6. Trailerable without breaking down the entire platform. It's bad enough having to take the mast down.
7. Cost less than $10K US including trailer and beach wheels or used boats in that price range are available. I'm not made of money.
What boats fit the above?
Daniel T.
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Naples, FL | (1) - PAID FOR
(2) - practically sails itself...fast
(3) - stores itself
(4) - makes chicks dig me (which makes items #1-3 easy by comparison)
Jay
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Solomon's Island, MD samc99us
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Solomon's Island, MD | (1) - PAID FOR
(2) - practically sails itself...fast
(3) - stores itself
(4) - makes chicks dig me (which makes items #1-3 easy by comparison) +1
Scorpion F18
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Solomon's Island, MD samc99us
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Solomon's Island, MD | Cool, I just went through this exercise... Here were my criteria for buying a boat. (not in order.)
1. Designed to handle well both 1-up (main alone) and 2-up (main and jib.) (I define this criteria by the speed of the boat being comparable in either configuration. i.e., the Texel ratings are about the same.) I sail alone about half the time and especially when racing, but when my wife is on board, she wants to be a crew member, not a passenger.
2. Has asym-spinniker. I just like the way they look.
3. Light weight, easy to handle on land, possible for one person to rig/derig. I do most of the work on my own.
4. Optimized for a 1-up crew of about 70kg, 2-up crew of about 120kg. We are pretty small people by Western standards.
5. Faster than a Hobie 16. If I want to go slower, I can just use the boats at my local sailing center.
6. Trailerable without breaking down the entire platform. It's bad enough having to take the mast down.
7. Cost less than $10K US including trailer and beach wheels or used boats in that price range are available. I'm not made of money.
What boats fit the above?
F16, pick your flavor.
Scorpion F18
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Palm Harbor, FL daniel_t
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Palm Harbor, FL | (1) - PAID FOR
(2) - practically sails itself...fast
(3) - stores itself
(4) - makes chicks dig me (which makes items #1-3 easy by comparison) Ack, if I wanted a boat that fits number 2 above, I would get a motorboat.
Daniel T.
Taipan F16 - USA 213
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Palm Harbor, FL daniel_t
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Palm Harbor, FL | Not just any F16 flavor. It's damn hard to find a Viper or Falcon for less than $10K with trailer and beach wheels. Blades and Taipans fit. The latter is what I ended up buying. The Nacra 500 comes close (although its a bit too slow 1-up,) and the Topcat K2 is good choice. Both are quite a bit heaver than a Blade or Taipan though. I was keeping an eye out for all four with a preference for the F16 choices. I also came close to buying a Mystere 5.0xl (though not well suited for 1-up sailing,) but the boat I found was in too bad of condition for the asking price. The F16 haters can hate all they want, but if they can't find a boat that better fits me, I'm not interested.
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Daniel T.
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38.912, -95.37 | Catamaran of course but then what?
Mega yacht, high tech everything?
Something more traditional like a Wharram Pahi?
ultra efficient beach cat type?
goes together in 15 minutes or less trapeze boat 90 kg or less
John H16, H14
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| I also came close to buying a Mystere 5.0xl (though not well suited for 1-up sailing,) but the boat I found was in too bad of condition for the asking price. Why do you say that? | | | Re: perfect boat
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Palm Harbor, FL daniel_t
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Palm Harbor, FL | Remember how I defined the term for this discussion. The Texel rating for 1-Up with main alone needs to be close to the rating for 2-Up with main and jib. That said, I don't know what the Texel rating is for a 1-Up Mystere 5.0 XL.
Looking back on my notes, I think I misspoke. The Mystere does seem to be a good boat for my purposes. It's on par with the Nacra 5.0 (about the same weight, but a little more sail area.) Like I said, if the one I found had been in better shape I would have bought it.
Daniel T.
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Dunedin Causeway, FL David Parker
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Dunedin Causeway, FL | As to the Mystere 5.0 XL, it's an excellent solo boat. Unfortunately, I sold mine to step up to a 5.5, found that the 5.5 was not my "soul mate" but I could never find another 5.0 XL. Andrew (MN3) now is loving my old 5.5. I went back to 16 feet and now solo a Nacra 5.0 with spin. The Nacra 5.0 is also an excellent solo platform but I'd much rather have the old Mystere 5.0XL (sniff  ). And you're right that the specific M5.0 you saw was a real dog. Also, it was NOT an XL. Daniel, you will find when you race the MiniMacho why F16 is not popular in the Dunedin fleet.... shallow water inside the islands. Swing centerboards and boardless are 95% of our fleet. You'd best practice the inside route before the race or you'll be fixing mashed up boards and board throats. It can be done but you need to learn the local shoals. Out in the Gulf it's fine but even there you'll find unexpected shoals way offshore (South Three Rooker pass). Don't ask me how I know. Also, the beer is on the inside islands. Perfect boat? Different strokes for different folks. | | |
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