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Syracuse, NY Hobie Fleet 204 | Ha.... an expert!!
What are the keys to managing the mixed team?
Relationship coach?
Pee in the 5 minutes sequence guidelines?
Time at the launch waiting tips?
What can you do and not do at the party with ahem fraternizing?
How bout sailing with another sailor you have respect and faith in their ability. It also helps to have your expectations aligned with the level of the event and of your co-sailor. I often sail with my wife, on both the front and the back of the boat. Done it for near 20 years and can't remember any huge disagreement that left the water. Now....when on different boats, same fleet, THAT'S a whole nother story  | | | Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials
[Re: Jake]
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Syracuse, NY Hobie Fleet 204 Tom Korz
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Syracuse, NY Hobie Fleet 204 | (She's gotten tired of the "stand in a cold shower, dressed in a rubber suit, ripping up $100 bills while I beat her with a stick" routine.) Straight up kinky Matt. This is the norm in Hobie 16s. At the last North Americans, there were only 2 teams (out of 50) that were two adult males. You guys can keep your wiener-fests. We may not sail the fastest boats, but at least the parties aren't a bunch of guys, awkwardly standing around, scratching and farting. Yeah, but how much of that has to do with teams needing to be light, last I checked a team was deemed as non-competitive at 285.25 lbs. I know, its not that bad, but still. Over 300, and having high expectations is kinda out of the question isn't it?
Proof that "it's not the size of the stick that matters".  Thanks Jake   | | | Re: Full foiling a catamaran
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Solomon's Island, MD | Wing sail has been used on Moths and the A, my understanding is there are equal to or less lines than conventional sails if rigged correctly.
Issue is cost, durability, transportability, and rig-ability. They are really neat but the engineering and materials have a ways to come before its a mass market product IMO.
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Solomon's Island, MD | easy - no need for relationship therapist -
give her the tiller and STFU. Rail meat's not supposed to talk anyway. Only answer questions related to speed, course, time/distance to line/mark, and other boat positions.
Fast teams share information while sailing (when necessary), not critique, postulation, or "feelings".
So... you may not have the luxury of :
"dearest crew person, it has come to my attention that perhaps one or more of our sails has become overtaxed in its current configuration by the developing wind and sea state .
If, pray tell, you find it within your already busy schedule to ease some of the tension on this particular sail control line located 24 centimeters to the starboard of the mast base with the red and white flecked cover, it would certainly assist our efforts in reducing the tendency of this sailing craft to invert.
I thank you in advance for your consideration of my request, and look forward, with eager anticipation, to your thoughts regarding this potential course of action. "
Where relationship therapy needs to be is if my spouse ever took interest in sailing. "move the thing over to there!" seems to leave me wanting for a bit more....detail? Clearly you haven't done much 2 up distance racing, or perhaps there was too much concentration on the racing and not enough fun? I know that doing 100+ miles per day gets boring quick if you don't have something to talk about-after 3 days the crew knows what line to pull on when or you're already in the drink.
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South Carolina | Wing sail has been used on Moths and the A, my understanding is there are equal to or less lines than conventional sails if rigged correctly.
Issue is cost, durability, transportability, and rig-ability. They are really neat but the engineering and materials have a ways to come before its a mass market product IMO. As the boats get smaller, there is also a technical trade-off with the extra weight aloft with the wing and pitching moment of the hulls. Ben surmised that the A-cat is pretty close to the threshold where a rigid wing (and the weight built with current technology) added enough to the pitching moment that it slowed the boat about as much as it sped it up. Granted, wave conditions play a big role here.
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| You say it like it's a bad thing, all this scratching and farting! I don't even like sailing, but I LOVE standing around with a bunch of guys, drinking beer, scratching and farting, without my WIFE there, to tell me to quit!
It's really the only reason I sail... Wow. Just, wow... Mike | | | Re: US Olympic Multihull Trials
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Northfield Mn | Really? Ted is 360#'s? I always thought he was adding some weight to make minimum.
Still, how much of the mostly mixed H16 teams has to do with needing to get weight down?
and Mike, don't get all sensitive on me.
I'm boatless.
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Thunder Bay ON CAN mmadge
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Thunder Bay ON CAN | Karl you know me I am just a sensitive type guy.
There are two things that are worth defending,your family and your boat and not necessarily in that order.
Ted is not 360 him and his crew are .
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North-West Europe | Late surprise : quoted tornado prices are EXCLUDING taxes International Tornado website is source of late surprise I quote directly "Both boats are priced competitively with the Exploder being €15,900 and the Marstrom being €25,900, these prices are excluding tax and delivery but include a full suit of Ullman One Design Sails and a Carbon Mast." Well, there it is. Many of us were suspecting something fishy was going on with the Tornado quotes as is the case with many of the Tornado-trials related statements lately. Taxes in euro zone are 19% VAT and that places the Exploder Tornado at € 18.921 when you pick it up yourself in Poland. A carbon masted F16 from one of the EU agents (UK, NL, France, ITA or Belgium) will be cheaper then that. A Marstrom Tornado, that you have to pick up in Sweden, will set you back a € 30.821 Go figure, Wouter
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Naples, FL | Clearly you haven't done much 2 up distance racing, or perhaps there was too much concentration on the racing and not enough fun? I know that doing 100+ miles per day gets boring quick if you don't have something to talk about-after 3 days the crew knows what line to pull on when or you're already in the drink.
Correct. No W-1000, T-500 or GT-300, but a 1/2 dozen steeplechases and short stuff like that. I think Ksurfer2 let me nap during the day for one of them... I was referring to buoy racing with my humor, but you have a point...
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Roanoke Island ,N.C. | Clearly you haven't done much 2 up distance racing, or perhaps there was too much concentration on the racing and not enough fun? I know that doing 100+ miles per day gets boring quick if you don't have something to talk about-after 3 days the crew knows what line to pull on when or you're already in the drink.
Correct. No W-1000, T-500 or GT-300, but a 1/2 dozen steeplechases and short stuff like that. I think Ksurfer2 let me nap during the day for one of them... I was referring to buoy racing with my humor, but you have a point... Jay, You've got more experience than Sam, don't sweat it. He's one of those guys who uses the Intarweb to make people think he's something he's not, repetitively.
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Clearly you haven't done much 2 up distance racing, or perhaps there was too much concentration on the racing and not enough fun? I know that doing 100+ miles per day gets boring quick if you don't have something to talk about-after 3 days the crew knows what line to pull on when or you're already in the drink.
The year I sailed the Tybee 500 with Carl Roberts, I think we probably said about three words an hour to each other...got along just fine and had a good trip.
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Long Beach, California | I would never have guessed that from his on-line persona, Jake. He is a smiling, gentle giant IRL, but Jeebus he could rant on the 'net.
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South Carolina | I would never have guessed that from his on-line persona, Jake. He is a smiling, gentle giant IRL, but Jeebus he could rant on the 'net. I know! We're both probably fortunate that we didn't sort out each other's political persuasions on the trip though. It really was a very memorable Tybee. His lack of communication created a little stress occasionally...like when we had the lead coming out of Fernandina and for about 15 minutes I kept pointing out that we were letting the fleet reach further out and I kept calling out the ever-increasing bearing we needed to maintain to clear the end of the jetty. With the waves crashing on the rock jetty clearly in sight, I finally demanded an answer...and then all I got were three quietly mumbled words that made me go a little pale.
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